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      • v6lur
        if two bootleg compilations contain exactly the same tracks (or rather, recordings), should they be in one RG?
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      • v6lur
        or maybe just link them with "is a later release" AR?
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      • KRSCuan
        If they contain the same recordings, I'd put them into one release group and link them as well.
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      • KRSCuan
        The only real exceptions for bootlegs are live bootlegs – apparently because they'd likely contain different recordings of the same performance, but I didn't follow the discussion concerning them.
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      • v6lur
        should the combined RG then be titled like "Title of Bootleg 1 / Title of 2"?
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      • v6lur
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      • v6lur
        cleaned other MM bootlegs up a bit as well
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      • v6lur
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      • jessew
        what should I put for proof that a collaboration artist is made up of the artists it's made up of, e.g. in http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12114468 this edit?
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      • navap
        I would have been fine with what you said in your first note, but if they want something you could provide http://www.vixyandtony.com/about.html
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      • jessew
        hm. thanks. I'll see if the person who asked replies to clarify.
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      • navap
        heh He replied just now
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      • perstar
        What release/track artist should I use for a cd which says "Cab Calloway" on the spine, "Cab Calloway and Orchestra" on the front cover and on the disc, and "Cab Calloway with the Cabbaliers" on the back cover with the track listing?
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      • perstar
        Is there a rule about obvious typos? I couldn't find it mentioned in the style guides. If the track listing on the cd says "Whats New" should I insering an apostrophe when adding the cd?
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      • fupp
        I dunno, could be that they meant to name the track "Whats New" and not "What's New"
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      • perstar
        I'm rather sure they didn't. This is a cover of an old jazz standard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What%27s_New%3F
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      • perstar
        and the "correct" title should prob be "What's New?" with a question mark as well.
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      • CatCat
        obvious typoes that misstaken (crappy wallmart releases etc) are fixed, a good indicator is if various sites have it with/without fixed
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      • CatCat
        if you consequently find it only with the "broken" spelling thoguh, it might ne intentional
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      • CatCat
        jazz standards are fixed to the jazz standar's "proper" use
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      • CatCat
        'Take the "A" Train' for example
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      • perstar
        OK, thanks. In this case it's not a rerelease of a recording that has been released with the "proper" title earlier though, but something recorded in 2003.
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      • Cuan
        What's the maximum track length supported by the server?
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      • Cuan
        I tried to enter a 525948766 minutes long track, but it was set to -1 ms.
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      • Muz
        In the database the column is an INTEGER.
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      • Muz
        iirc, times are stored in ms. In seconds alone that is 31556925960, so 31556925960000. Which is clearly BUFFEROVERRUN time.
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      • Muz
        2147483647 is the apparent limit for INTEGERS in PostGres.
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      • Muz
        s/S/s/
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      • luks
        1000 years long track? :)
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      • juhae
        longplayer
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      • KRSCuan
        Yup
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      • srotta
        Cage atrocity?
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      • juhae
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      • srotta
        So that would be yes.
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      • srotta
        8)
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      • KRSCuan
        The Cage piece is just 639 years long.
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      • KRSCuan
        I wanted the real deal.
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      • brianfreud
        v6lur: You said the same tracklists... yes these have the same tracklist. No, they don't have the same title though.
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      • v6lur
        that's what i was asking about
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      • brianfreud
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      • v6lur
        considering they're both unofficial bootlegs... i don't know
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      • brianfreud
        v6lur: so long as the release exists, to my mind, it doesn't matter if it were legal or bootleg; what matters is the title that appeared on the thing, not the legality of the thing. :)
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      • brianfreud
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      • v6lur
        yes, i've seen those. since they have identical tracks, i thought it would make sense if the releases were together in one release group.
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      • brianfreud
        Doh; I thought you were merging the release, not the RG.
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      • KRSCuan
        What a relief.
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      • brianfreud
        See my comment :)
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      • v6lur
        about the title: would "Genesis of the Devil / From the Vaults" or something similar be ok?
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      • v6lur
        i asked about this earlier, but no-one replied...
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      • brianfreud
        no idea; I left a note about it in the talk page of that proposal
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      • brianfreud
        btw, speaking of wiki-stuff, has anyone ever actually seen this page, or this concept? Band With Main Performer Name http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Band_With_Main_Perfor…
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      • brianfreud
        I just ran across it for the first time
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      • brianfreud
        It reads like it's trying to set a complicated definition for what really is just a collaboration that decided to give itself a name...
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      • brianfreud
        ...and that name is the same name as one person in the collab.
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      • KRSCuan
        I think it's about keeping separate entries for artists like Marilyn Manson or Nena and their bands
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      • KRSCuan
        And that you should check who is actually meant when they are credited.
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      • KRSCuan
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      • brianfreud
        Do we need a whole page defining those rare artists? (Esp given the text that was on Supporting Musician Relationship Type, which suggested inventing such artists rather than using that AR)
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      • aCiD2
        anyone able to explain how public key authentication works? I figure it's a challenge-response type thing, but I don't get how the challenge is decided
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      • Clint
        aCiD2: the client could say "hi, i've got this key", and then the server can decide to validate it if it's heard of that key
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      • aCiD2
        I guess the client should encrypt that key with the servers public key too
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      • Clint
        yes, typically there is a session key negotiated first
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      • aCiD2
        ok, that makes sense
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      • srotta
        Of course the actual key isn't trnasferred at any point, but something that's encrypted with that key.
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      • CatCat
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      • CatCat
        [11:22] srotta So that would be yes.
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      • CatCat
        [11:22] srotta 8)
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      • CatCat
        [11:23] KRSCuan The Cage piece is just 639 years long.
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      • CatCat
        [11:23] KRSCuan I wanted the real deal.
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      • CatCat
        what?
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      • CatCat
        hn
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      • CatCat
        Now grooving to: "Weird Al" Yankovic ~ Fat (3:37) (from Even Worse) (1988)
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      • navap
        Did you look at the wikipedia page?
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      • CatCat
        yes, i noticed there was one jsut afteri pasted lols
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      • CatCat
        so yea
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      • CatCat
        you know if they recorded it, and thn sped up it really fast, ould it sound like a regular pice?
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      • CatCat
        of music?
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      • srotta
        Well, it's Cage, so answer would be "no".
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      • srotta
        8)
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      • schlifers
        Guys I am working on all the albums of a group is there any way to get edits pushed instantly so I can finish it today?
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      • brianfreud
        schlifers: What edits are blocking you?
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      • schlifers
        brianfreud: a lot of edits regarding http://musicbrainz.org/artist/c06c8a2d-6a60-48dd-…
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      • brianfreud
        I see 32 edits, but many have no verification. For the others, they all look like transliteration differences?
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      • schlifers
        brianfreud: most are release events with spelling fixes from the official site/wikipedia
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      • brianfreud
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      • brianfreud
        It's not English, but it is Latin
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      • brianfreud
        Ishq isn't listed at http://www.junoon.com/jeemography.html so I can't check those edits.
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      • brianfreud
        Ok, I got you from 32 down to 18, but you need sources for some, and have problems with others, in that 18. http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?pa…
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      • schlifers
        brianfreud: the language is supposed to be urdu and is available in previous releases but I cannot select it
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      • schlifers
        I will add the sources for the rest
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      • brianfreud
        hit "show full lists" to get Urdu
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      • brianfreud
        As for the script, all the text on your IRC screen, and in those releases - that's Latin :)
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      • brianfreud
        ruaok: Is CA in a different daylight savings from EST? 1 PM PST, but still 3 PM EST?
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      • brianfreud
        ;)
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      • schlifers
        brianfreud: added sources for those that were missing some are pronunciation fixes and sometimes the original website gets is wrong and wikipedia gets it right. It is really hard to get a 100% correct source since you are trying to pronounce one language in another
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      • brianfreud
        I have to admit, I don't agree with a lot of the reasoning in these later notes
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      • brianfreud
        Artist's website always wins against Wikipedia or 'general pronounciation', imho
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      • brianfreud
        and the RE edits are giving YYYY-MM-DD and a country; Wikipedia only has YYYY.
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      • schlifers
        the dates are 1 link deep
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      • schlifers
        http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12124981 added another comment will help convince you.
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      • ruaok
        damn.
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      • brianfreud
        schlifers: Are the titles on the liners in Urdu/whatever script, or in transliterated Latin?
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      • brianfreud
        ruaok :D
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      • schlifers
        It is in Urdu
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      • schlifers
        they are*
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      • brianfreud
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      • brianfreud
        If so, then there's other fixes to be made to the releases. :D
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      • brianfreud
        Language: Urdu, Script: Latin, Release Status: Pseudo-release (not Release)
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      • schlifers
        it's nt transliteration but writiibg in english so that when you pronounce the word it sounds the same
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      • schlifers
        ok I will do that couldn't see urdu before
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      • brianfreud
        umm, that's the definition of transliteration
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      • brianfreud
        though replace "english" with "latin"
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      • schlifers
        I thought it was replacing corresponding characters
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      • brianfreud
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      • brianfreud
        nope; I'm not sure what that's called, but it's not translation or transliteration
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      • KRSCuan
        Transcription.
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      • brianfreud
        ding :)
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      • schlifers
        brianfreud: can you approve the ones with the notes added then I will fix the language for all
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      • brianfreud
        That got it down some, but still the REs, and for the others, the artist was consistent.