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i can give you plenty of examples right now

For what it’s worth, I agree with neothe0ne here.

neothe0ne: the track artist doesn't say anything about the role the particular artist had on the song.

warp: are you saying track artist = release artist?>

neothe0ne: if there is no track artist specified on the cover, yes.

Exactly. We bravely assume there's a reason for putting it into a release by some artist, and if there's no information to the contrary, release artist = track artist.

i know there are people who disagree with that.

people voted yes on my edits to fix the instrumental tracks there.

You can find people who'll disagree with anything.

srotta, is there a _guideline_ that says track artist = release artist even if there is VERY STRONG evidence and language to say that's not true?>

where do you see instrumental tracks getting "Artist: the composer" in booklets

it'll say "Composer:" or "Written by"

not "Artist"

in fact, you barely ever see "Artist: vocalist" in booklets either

And those same lines can be found on any track.

It’s a disc of tracks by one artist, with a track by another artist tacked on the end.

Which just happens to be an instrumental

its not even a song: it sounds like the recording of a NES rpg.

ooh, I should have a listen to that release then.

hawke_: what would you say the track artist should be then

and warp , as i said in the edit

anyone with a Nico Nico Douga account can.

neothe0ne: I’d say it’d be the composer.

Little different than this one: http://musicbrainz.org/release/bb12be97-cf8f-4f...

warp, i already made hawke_'s exact point to fatih then nikki, they disagreed.

hawke_: It's a lot different since that's, again, soundtrack.

The only difference being that the last track in my referenced album happens to have a performer rather than merely a composer

srotta: i don't see how it's different.

you can't just segregate music releases into Soundtracks and non-soundtracks

And still that's exactly what we're doing.

if its an instrumental track, generally the composer becomes the artist, especially if its not a karaoke track on a single - am I wrong?

As well as classical and non-classical.

And bunch of other groupings which have slightly different rules.

if i Am wrong, show me examples

srotta: vgmdb classifies it as “Original Soundtrack”...

i cant comment on that having not watched the anime, but that really shouldnt even be relevant to the issue here.

and says “Single release from Akiko Hasegawa. "LEVEL∞" is the second ending theme of Slap-up Party: Arad Senki, anime adaptation of Dungeon Fighter Online.”

which suggests that even if it were relevant that it’s a sound track, it is a soundtrack.

srotta: What difference does it make that it’s a soundtrack anyway?

srotta: Soundtrack Style says: “For pre-existing non-classical music, Artist should contain the performers.”

hawke_: Soundtracks generally have music attributed to composer. Unless it's pop.

and Akiko Hasegawa is not the performer on the last track

Leaving only the composer

srotta: what would you do with a Cd that is half pop, half soundtrack then.

you're not going to change them all to vocalists, or all to composer, are you?>

srotta: How is this not a soundtrack?

hawke_: I don't know, the release type says it's single, so I'm going by that.

It’s both...*shrug*

As I said earlier, I don't know Japanese so I won't edit or vote on those releases. I try to stay away from those since it always ends up with Great Japanese Exception, which I deeply disagree with. 8)

srotta: there is no japanese exception here.

(there is no japanese exception at all)

As far as I can tell, it’s a single of “inspired by” music, which happens to also include at least one actual track from the soundtrack.

fatih what the fuck

that's a bogus artist now, as your edit http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12505467 has failed

Thus making it primarily a single, but also a soundtrack, and especially so for the last track.

no, there's not.

this discussion isn't even over fatih.

the voting is not over too

show me the guideline that says you vote NO on a valid collaboration artist.

ok, i'll abstain for now

I kind of question that artist too, but only because of the order and way it’s joined.

Why “KPLECRAFT, 伊藤賢治” and not “KPLECRAFT and 伊藤賢治” or “伊藤賢治,KPLECRAFT”

japanese uses that comma (among other punctuation marks)

and the booklet and website credit the collaboration in that order

(and the song mostly goes in that order too)

Yeah, I saw.

I don’t disagree, just kind of question.

in a strict MB sense, it doesn't matter what the punctuation is because NGS allows for any string of characters to join collaborations in NGS

Is there even a style guide about collaborations like that?

but from a language point

And of course, the original edit mentions it's written with slash.

:P

website vs booklet

booklet wins

i copied the website text because that's the source i provided

Were I doing it, I would prefer the booklet form...but it’s not at all important, certainly not worth no-voting the collab. artist.

hawke, the point of no-voting the collab artist was to delete the artist - but that's not the point right now

Yeah, I know.

i assume no one has anything to add to "instrumental tacked onto a CD" right now?

I don’t.

neothe0ne: How about tracks 4 and 5? Are those soundtrack tracks as well?

i wouldnt know

the song "XXX" likely has nothing to do with the anime.

but as a purely 8-bit instrumental, it's highly likely it was used as bgm in the anime at some point

i dont even care about arguing tracks 4-5 right now since there's a belief that karaoke track artist = vocalist

but there is no logical argument to keeping track 6 as the vocalist

I would tend to think it’s closer to the “classical” style rules than the soundtrack style rules...

being music which has a composer but no specific performer

technically speaking, the performer is probably KPLECRAFT using an NES-like synthesizer

but i wouldnt know for sure.

KPLECRAFT is an 8-bit unit

Nod.

warp: can you please explain your no vote?

CatCat, can you please explain your vote on http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12509711

warp, I still don't know why you voted no either