all i've been able to smell and taste since this morning has been mackerel :(
2010-06-01 15232, 2010
nikki wonders why you would eat fish for breakfast
2010-06-01 15202, 2010
hawke_ wonders why you would eat fish.
2010-06-01 15240, 2010
navap wonders why you would eat
2010-06-01 15251, 2010
nikki wonders...
2010-06-01 15259, 2010
navap
* navap
2010-06-01 15257, 2010
Leftmost
I went to a friend's house for fish tacos a week or so ago. They were delicious, but I couldn't smell anything but fried fish for a couple of days.
2010-06-01 15204, 2010
aCiD2
well, I like fish, and I had some mackerel to eat
2010-06-01 15209, 2010
aCiD2
so I thought fish for breakfast!
2010-06-01 15230, 2010
aCiD2
I'm mostly worried about the gym, because I sweat like crazy now any way that we're on heavy weights, and I think fishy sweat is going to be even worse
2010-06-01 15243, 2010
aCiD2
mwahaha
2010-06-01 15232, 2010
Leftmost
I wish my university didn't charge extra for summer gym access.
2010-06-01 15207, 2010
aCiD2
it's cost me about 50 quid for 10 weeks
2010-06-01 15226, 2010
aCiD2
which is alright. it's not a brilliant gym, but all I need is plates, a squat rack, a bench and barbells
2010-06-01 15243, 2010
aCiD2
i sure would be tempted to pay extra for a place with some air conditioning though...
2010-06-01 15210, 2010
Leftmost
The summer here is around $30, I think. Which is better than any other gym I'd find, and it's well-equipped. But I'm poor.
2010-06-01 15222, 2010
Leftmost
And I don't think they'll let me pay it with financial aid.
2010-06-01 15241, 2010
Kanmu joined the channel
2010-06-01 15205, 2010
aCiD2
ah
2010-06-01 15234, 2010
fatih joined the channel
2010-06-01 15215, 2010
Mineo
sorry to disturb your talk but: is there any way, if an album has different ASINs in different countries, to choose a specific one for the cover art retrieval?
2010-06-01 15254, 2010
hawke_
Mineo: Nope.
2010-06-01 15207, 2010
Mineo
:(
2010-06-01 15213, 2010
hawke_
Maybe once NGS comes out, I’m not sure
2010-06-01 15233, 2010
aCiD2
nope, NGS doesn't really change that (it just uses one of them)
2010-06-01 15253, 2010
aCiD2
ok, I'm off - Leftmost i'll try and get back to meet tonight, I might be a little late because I have to help some guy with some PHP
2010-06-01 15255, 2010
aCiD2 shudders
2010-06-01 15213, 2010
Leftmost
No worries.
2010-06-01 15217, 2010
Leftmost comforts aCiD2.
2010-06-01 15231, 2010
hawke_
Doesn’t NGS do some stuff with associating things with actual releases (e.g. disc IDs and corresponding release events)?
2010-06-01 15250, 2010
hawke_
I would’ve thought that if it did that, it would also connect ASINs to those release events.
2010-06-01 15207, 2010
Mineo
well, that's unfortunate
2010-06-01 15226, 2010
hawke_
I agree.
2010-06-01 15232, 2010
hawke_
Speaking of NGS: On the NGS beta, how do you go about setting a release’s format?
2010-06-01 15208, 2010
navap
Since a release can now consist of several mediums you can't set a *release* format, only a medium format.
2010-06-01 15243, 2010
hawke_
Fair enough...where do you do that? I would expect it to be in the same place as packaging...
2010-06-01 15255, 2010
navap
The stuff in the sidebar is release specific information, it applies to the entire release - the format(s) do not. They're found on the tracklist tab of the release editor.
2010-06-01 15203, 2010
navap
er s/sidebar/first tab/
2010-06-01 15205, 2010
navap
haha
2010-06-01 15220, 2010
hawke_
Also, I see that you can’t apparently change the release(?) type; the dropdown says album, and is disabled.
2010-06-01 15226, 2010
hawke_
Is there a way to do that?
2010-06-01 15251, 2010
navap
If you're editing a release then the release type is taken from the release group the release is in.
2010-06-01 15207, 2010
navap
A release doesn't have a "type" anymore, that's only at the release group level.
2010-06-01 15227, 2010
hawke_
Aha.
2010-06-01 15242, 2010
hawke_
Then why’s it displayed on the release editor. :-p
2010-06-01 15213, 2010
navap
Let me ask you this: If it wasn't displayed, wouldn't you have wondered where it was?
2010-06-01 15233, 2010
hawke_
Well, I would have looked for it somewhere else...
2010-06-01 15237, 2010
hawke_
or asked.
2010-06-01 15218, 2010
hawke_
But putting it on the release editor raises the question for all: “this is obviously where I’m supposed to be editing the type [since it has a widget there], now why is it disabled?”
2010-06-01 15236, 2010
hawke_
Instead of “where do I go to edit the album type?”
2010-06-01 15248, 2010
hawke_
Which at least gives me the idea that I need to search more.
2010-06-01 15254, 2010
navap
I think that question will be answered once we stick in the appropriate documentation in the right side of the first tab.
2010-06-01 15205, 2010
hawke_
Perhaps.
2010-06-01 15200, 2010
navap
It's a good observation though, maybe the type doesn't need to be shown at all in the release editor.
2010-06-01 15227, 2010
hawke_
How about the format selection being on the tracklist tab? Shouldn’t it and packaging go together?
2010-06-01 15252, 2010
navap
Although then the editor wouldn't be 100% consistent because the type needs to be asked when adding a new release outside of an existing release group.
2010-06-01 15222, 2010
navap
When you buy a two disc album, does each disc come in different packaging?
2010-06-01 15208, 2010
navap
Actually I'm not too sure how packaging will work with a release that has different medium formats.
2010-06-01 15222, 2010
navap
A CD+Vinyl release probably can't be classified as having just one type of packaging.
2010-06-01 15223, 2010
nikki
the packaging stuff is pretty basic anyway, it's not like you can say something came in a normal jewel case with a bonus disc in a slim jewel case in a cardboard thingy to keep the discs together
I’m a bit surprised that the “advanced” track editor isn’t the default...
2010-06-01 15246, 2010
hawke_
given that the “basic” one seems to be a free-form text editor.
2010-06-01 15202, 2010
nikki
people think tables are too databasey :(
2010-06-01 15242, 2010
hawke_
I think free-form text editors are too pain-in-the-ass-and-you-have-to-guess-what-the-format-is-ey.
2010-06-01 15222, 2010
Leftmost
nikki, they're wrong then.
2010-06-01 15249, 2010
nikki
Leftmost: I never said they were right :P
2010-06-01 15252, 2010
Leftmost
We're a database, oddly enough.
2010-06-01 15200, 2010
nikki idly ponders if it's just her that cares about the size of the packaging rather than just the style...
2010-06-01 15219, 2010
hawke_
nikki: ??
2010-06-01 15234, 2010
nikki
I was just looking at that wiki page I linked and was thinking about the different ones I have
2010-06-01 15249, 2010
hawke_
There’re some problems with the basic text editor, too...
2010-06-01 15256, 2010
nikki
and I've got loads which would come under digipak I think, but they're all sorts of sizes
2010-06-01 15204, 2010
navap images disputes about whether to record measurements in inches or centimetres.
2010-06-01 15243, 2010
Leftmost
navap, allow either, store as cm internally, display by user preference.:)
2010-06-01 15259, 2010
ruaok heads to the office
2010-06-01 15211, 2010
nikki
I wasn't thinking about being that specific :P
2010-06-01 15238, 2010
Leftmost
Feet is a bit large of a measurement for that.:P
2010-06-01 15205, 2010
nikki
I just mean that I've got cd sized ones, dvd sized ones, those weird thin tall japanese 8cm cd ones and a few which are bigger than dvds and a right pain in the arse to put anywhere
2010-06-01 15207, 2010
nikki
haha
2010-06-01 15212, 2010
hawke_
it seems to be impossible to set a track to unknown length after you’ve set it to a known length.
2010-06-01 15237, 2010
Leftmost
DVD-sized digipaks?
2010-06-01 15248, 2010
nikki
assuming I know what a digipak is :P
2010-06-01 15254, 2010
hawke_
(In the basic text editor)
2010-06-01 15208, 2010
nikki smells food
2010-06-01 15209, 2010
Leftmost
I guess I have DVDs that come in digipak-y containers.
2010-06-01 15212, 2010
nikki
back in a bit
2010-06-01 15220, 2010
Leftmost
Hmm. So when do we create MovieBrainz?:P
2010-06-01 15227, 2010
Leftmost
And BookBrainz.
2010-06-01 15236, 2010
hawke_
Make moviebrainz first. :-p
2010-06-01 15245, 2010
Leftmost
I care more about books myself.
2010-06-01 15211, 2010
hawke_
Yeah, but movies (and DVDs) are much closer to music (and CDs) than books.
2010-06-01 15228, 2010
hawke_
Is there a way to delete a disc (medium) in the NGS beta?
2010-06-01 15218, 2010
hawke_
The freaking text editor keeps on setting the length of tracks other than the one with which I’m working, in addition to the one with which I’m working.
2010-06-01 15225, 2010
Leftmost
In what way are they closer?
2010-06-01 15255, 2010
Leftmost
Form factor?
2010-06-01 15238, 2010
hawke_
Books in digital form are much less standardized....
2010-06-01 15251, 2010
hawke_
In printed form, they tend to have a lot more printings and editions.
2010-06-01 15235, 2010
Leftmost
I don't see how that makes movies any more suitable for databasification, though.
2010-06-01 15245, 2010
Leftmost
And also word coinerosity.
2010-06-01 15216, 2010
hawke_
I think the MB schema could be adapted to movies much more easily than to books.
2010-06-01 15217, 2010
hawke_
That’s all.
2010-06-01 15216, 2010
Leftmost
I'm sure that for either movies or books you'd want to create a custom-suited schema, rather than trying to adapt one.
2010-06-01 15206, 2010
hawke_
Well...if that’s the case then it’s already done: See imdb, goodreads, etc.
2010-06-01 15223, 2010
Leftmost
Neither have open data. Open Library does, I think, but I haven't tried their new setup and their old one was kind of terrible.
2010-06-01 15224, 2010
pronik`` joined the channel
2010-06-01 15225, 2010
hawke_
Open in what sense? Open to editing, or providing APIs to retrieve their data?
2010-06-01 15246, 2010
Leftmost
Licensing and retrieval. IMDB isn't really editable and goodreads just bottles up their data.
2010-06-01 15210, 2010
hawke_
No, I know imdb isn’t editable; I agree with that one.
2010-06-01 15234, 2010
hawke_
imdb isn’t open in any sense.
2010-06-01 15201, 2010
Muz
I'm sure they used to do data dumps
2010-06-01 15208, 2010
Muz
And imdb is editable if you sign up and pay iirc.
2010-06-01 15248, 2010
nikki reappears
2010-06-01 15249, 2010
hawke_
Is there anywhere official that I should be reporting problems that I find with the NGS test?
2010-06-01 15210, 2010
nikki
jira I guess, for release editor stuff you might want to ping warp first
2010-06-01 15236, 2010
hawke_
Alright.
2010-06-01 15208, 2010
hawke_
I’ll talk to warp then, when I get a chance.
2010-06-01 15200, 2010
hawke_
Anyone know what “Enable vinyl track numbers” does?
2010-06-01 15204, 2010
navap
Maybe it will parse the letter out of track numbers like: a1, a2, a3, b1, b2, b3
2010-06-01 15226, 2010
hawke_
navap: Maybe. I can’t see that it’s doing anything now.
2010-06-01 15243, 2010
hawke_
The track numbers seem to be totally ignored in the basic editor.
2010-06-01 15244, 2010
navap
The editor on test is not finished. It's still got plenty of missing features.
2010-06-01 15230, 2010
navap
The track parser options look like they were taken from the options available on the current server.
2010-06-01 15202, 2010
hawke_
You can put pretty much anything (e.g: “testnum testname” will appear as “1. testname” in the preview.
