Hey the Microsoft logger is working again ! Thanks to the one who got it back !
2010-06-09 16049, 2010
nikki
I didn't mean that I think it's wrong or not as good to use "morning", just that I'd find it odd to take something like モーニングコーヒー and turn it into "morning coffee" and then say it should be sentence case because it's japanese
2010-06-09 16035, 2010
nikki
but then if you say that should be english caps because it's english, what about when it's a mixture? what if only one word is japanese? what if only one word is english?
2010-06-09 16040, 2010
nikki doesn't know...
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2010-06-09 16029, 2010
jesus2099
nikki: well I understand you are wondering... To me English case looks so unnatural I'm not wondering a second but to you of course it's something else! ;p
2010-06-09 16047, 2010
nikki
:P
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jesus2099
My opinion is that borrwoed words are now part of the language. when we romanise them, be they Italian, English, French, Korean etc. in the first place they are now Japanese and not affected by English case. This is 100% if written as ''mouningu''/''mo-ningu'''/''mōningu''/whatever but when replaced by genuine word ''morning'', I understand it has to be discussed.
2010-06-09 16022, 2010
jesus2099
i meant 100% sure
2010-06-09 16013, 2010
warp
jesus2099: like Oeuvre in some recent edits of yours :P
2010-06-09 16006, 2010
jesus2099
you bets!
2010-06-09 16052, 2010
jesus2099
Is Œuvre coming from french or dutch in the beginning ?
2010-06-09 16053, 2010
warp
french
2010-06-09 16025, 2010
warp
but it's in the dutch dictionary without your weird characters.
2010-06-09 16020, 2010
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jesus2099
So when a word is borrowed it is part of the borrowing language, it's normal
2010-06-09 16019, 2010
jesus2099
and abides by the rules of the borrowing language
2010-06-09 16050, 2010
nikki doesn't dispute that bit :P
2010-06-09 16024, 2010
jesus2099
nikki: so do you with English in Japanese sentence words without caps? (or sometimes I've seen katakana romanised in UPPERCASE and the rest in sentence)
2010-06-09 16042, 2010
jesus2099
ex: プラットホーム is a typical borrwed English word integrated in language whereas アイアム is not really in the language but is still english
2010-06-09 16047, 2010
jesus2099
It would be too complex to refer to each language's capitalisation rule, we should stick to one romanised Japanese style
2010-06-09 16009, 2010
nikki
if I'm using a transliteration of the actual japanese, I would use sentence caps. if I turn it back into english... then I don't know, hence what I was saying earlier
2010-06-09 16018, 2010
nikki
in mb I generally try and avoid the problem by letting other people add them and leaving capitalisation alone on the ones I edit (except for lowercasing particles :P)
2010-06-09 16047, 2010
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jesus2099
I think we couldn't do the English caps because foreign words can come from plenty different languages (however mainly English) and we simply can't refer to so many guidelines for just a track list.. And the sentence being mostly japanese it would mix rules and we can't cope with that either
2010-06-09 16024, 2010
nikki
if we just say sentence caps though, I doubt people will bother using it
2010-06-09 16042, 2010
nikki
other than you :P
2010-06-09 16001, 2010
jesus2099
BEcause it is more difficult?
2010-06-09 16031, 2010
jesus2099
it's hard to believe
2010-06-09 16057, 2010
nikki
probably because it looks weird to english speakers
2010-06-09 16022, 2010
nikki
the two people who I see adding the most pseudo-releases both seem to prefer english caps
2010-06-09 16050, 2010
jesus2099
Are they from England or another English speaking country?
2010-06-09 16000, 2010
jesus2099
Or Sweden?
2010-06-09 16009, 2010
nikki
americans I guess.
2010-06-09 16024, 2010
jesus2099
It seems north Europe also uses Title Case
2010-06-09 16009, 2010
nikki
wikipedia, jpopstop, j-ongaku, etc all use english caps too
Becasue internet is so USA influenced, bad habits are now taken quite everywhere online
2010-06-09 16011, 2010
jesus2099
<rude>I mean people with no culture take whatever crap they see for granted</rude>
2010-06-09 16059, 2010
nikki
and as far as I know, scandinavia uses sentence caps
2010-06-09 16011, 2010
jesus2099
But Scandinavia does include Sweden, doesn't it?
2010-06-09 16023, 2010
nikki
yes
2010-06-09 16027, 2010
jesus2099
Foolip from Sweden told me they were using Title Case
2010-06-09 16046, 2010
nikki
does "Title Case" mean english-style caps or sentence caps?
2010-06-09 16059, 2010
jesus2099
It means English for me
2010-06-09 16017, 2010
jesus2099
Because I write it like "Title Case" and not "Title case" ;p
2010-06-09 16048, 2010
nikki
you could be experimenting with german caps for all I know :P
2010-06-09 16000, 2010
jesus2099
How is it?
2010-06-09 16022, 2010
nikki
they capitalise all nouns
2010-06-09 16053, 2010
jesus2099
Both proper and common nouns? But not Verbs?
2010-06-09 16010, 2010
nikki
yeah, proper and common nouns and not verbs
2010-06-09 16002, 2010
jesus2099
Well why not... As soon as it is not sentence case anything looks weird to me, that one not more weird than English
2010-06-09 16030, 2010
nikki
french isn't quite sentence case either :P
2010-06-09 16033, 2010
jesus2099
I must be too simplist
2010-06-09 16041, 2010
jesus2099
Well it is disputed actually
2010-06-09 16051, 2010
nikki
I know
2010-06-09 16057, 2010
jesus2099
You see many sentence case even on books
2010-06-09 16044, 2010
jesus2099
Online it is English Case because of America's influence (they also forget spaces before ;:!? and write Mr instead of french M. etc.)
2010-06-09 16046, 2010
jesus2099
There is nowadays a big problem with orthograph in France so let's not even talk about typography..
2010-06-09 16055, 2010
jesus2099
Many people from the best scientific schools make many orthograph and grammar mistakes in their texts, it's really scary, even some university teachers I've had..
2010-06-09 16051, 2010
jesus2099
"C'était mieux avant"
2010-06-09 16016, 2010
jesus2099
"It was better before" my nostalgic point of view ;)
2010-06-09 16028, 2010
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jesus2099
Nikki: do you know or like suede, the band?
2010-06-09 16049, 2010
nikki
vaguely. I recognise the tune for "trash" and I know they were called the london suede in america
2010-06-09 16003, 2010
nikki
and I have an 8cm cd with one of their songs on it (probably trash...)
2010-06-09 16018, 2010
nikki
and one of the covers is green!
2010-06-09 16018, 2010
jesus2099
oh I love them
2010-06-09 16025, 2010
nikki runs out of suede knowledge
2010-06-09 16025, 2010
jesus2099
and they a reforming sort of
2010-06-09 16031, 2010
jesus2099
:))
2010-06-09 16018, 2010
jesus2099
They are Brittish and they wrote "everything" consistently in lower case always everywhere including everything anywhere! That was so cool.
2010-06-09 16015, 2010
nikki
oh, and wasn't the lead singer called bernard or something?
2010-06-09 16048, 2010
nikki
I had a friend who was obsessed with them, obviously I wasn't paying much attention :P
2010-06-09 16051, 2010
jesus2099
I don't know if you would like them but if you want to give them compatriots a try, start by their B-Sides collection called "sci-fi lullabies", they rule
2010-06-09 16004, 2010
jesus2099
Brett Anderson (now solo)
2010-06-09 16011, 2010
nikki
was there a guy called bernard?
2010-06-09 16016, 2010
jesus2099
Bernard Buttler was the first guitarist who left
2010-06-09 16024, 2010
nikki
ah
2010-06-09 16038, 2010
jesus2099
Bernard sounds funny in English
2010-06-09 16011, 2010
nikki
hmm... filmstar and beautiful ones ring a bell too
2010-06-09 16031, 2010
jesus2099
hmm... love love
2010-06-09 16049, 2010
jesus2099
gr8t titles include "my dark star" / "the big time" / "europe is our playground" / "the asphalt world" / …
2010-06-09 16025, 2010
jesus2099
this last one is epic (and still lowercase)
2010-06-09 16028, 2010
jesus2099
I went to see Brett live recently and before also but it is not as great as the band he was in. Hopefully I could see them before they split.
2010-06-09 16031, 2010
jesus2099
Hey you too like some lowercased artists, I know!
2010-06-09 16034, 2010
nikki
oh?
2010-06-09 16047, 2010
jesus2099
Yes, and I know
2010-06-09 16030, 2010
jesus2099
she's alan ;)
2010-06-09 16021, 2010
nikki
ah :P
2010-06-09 16045, 2010
nikki
I'm a bit annoyed because all the versions of the next single are different
2010-06-09 16001, 2010
nikki
they know how to get my money :/
2010-06-09 16004, 2010
jesus2099
This is marketing at its worst
2010-06-09 16053, 2010
jesus2099
I often stick to albums except for bands that are stopped and which don't have too many singles or if I find the single for 2€ at book off :)
2010-06-09 16006, 2010
nikki is jealous 'cause you have book off
2010-06-09 16000, 2010
jesus2099
hehe but don't get to think it's a book off as cool as those in Japan... It's second hand at the price of new and the stock isn't changing very often... But I still have some good opportunities by getting there regularly ;)
2010-06-09 16019, 2010
nikki
something is better than nothing!
2010-06-09 16046, 2010
jesus2099
I got all AJICO's singles for 2€ each! (only 3 singles and AJIC Oisn't famous/popular, thuis the discount price for here)
2010-06-09 16007, 2010
jesus2099
yes it is so lucky to have it, I agree
2010-06-09 16031, 2010
jesus2099
I thought I was dreaming when I saw this the first time
2010-06-09 16048, 2010
jesus2099
for the first time
2010-06-09 16044, 2010
jesus2099
What website do you order from? (I use HMV because you can always make sure that you order the shokaigenteiban (ltd. version) before despatch, unlike amazon)
2010-06-09 16009, 2010
nikki
I normally use yesasia because it's cheapest for me
2010-06-09 16019, 2010
jesus2099
Is it?
2010-06-09 16022, 2010
nikki
yes
2010-06-09 16037, 2010
jesus2099
I should compare next time
2010-06-09 16016, 2010
jesus2099
Do you receive the special presents that occasionally come with discs? (like pair of sticks, stickers, etc.)
2010-06-09 16047, 2010
nikki
pair of sticks? o_O
2010-06-09 16007, 2010
jesus2099
eating sticks?
2010-06-09 16011, 2010
nikki
chopsticks?
2010-06-09 16020, 2010
nikki
hashi? :D
2010-06-09 16025, 2010
jesus2099
eh probably... let me lookup
2010-06-09 16027, 2010
jesus2099
hashi!
2010-06-09 16025, 2010
nikki
I'm not sure, I don't know if I've ever bought anything that should come with a special present
2010-06-09 16023, 2010
jesus2099
yes that's particular because I wouldn't even know I would receive anything at order time.
2010-06-09 16057, 2010
jesus2099
I received posters, chopsticks, puzzle, and even an eyepatch!
2010-06-09 16016, 2010
jesus2099
All kind of things that I don't know what to do with (except chopsticks, that was handy)
2010-06-09 16026, 2010
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nikki
hehe
2010-06-09 16034, 2010
nikki has plenty of chopsticks
2010-06-09 16021, 2010
jesus2099
tristan too but these are artist branded! ;p
2010-06-09 16046, 2010
warp has hello kitty chopsticks.
2010-06-09 16051, 2010
nikki
show off :P
2010-06-09 16006, 2010
warp
they're not particularly pretty.
2010-06-09 16016, 2010
nikki
I have ones which are apparently korean
2010-06-09 16022, 2010
nikki
I'm not sure what to do with them
2010-06-09 16048, 2010
jesus2099
I have onmyo-za chopsticks (thanks to hmv), I was looking over the web but it's nothing special too :) but handy for once
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jesus2099
hey nukku
2010-06-09 16006, 2010
jesus2099
erh nikki, sorry
2010-06-09 16023, 2010
nikki
yeah?
2010-06-09 16047, 2010
jesus2099
I was looking at yesasia to compare and saw that title, can you guess what does it mean ? "garuneriususekandoraibudhi buidhi purasushi dhi raibufo o ruribufo wan" it's crazy :)
2010-06-09 16025, 2010
nikki
I guess it starts with something like "galnerius" then second live...
2010-06-09 16038, 2010
nikki
but the rest...
2010-06-09 16037, 2010
fatih
dvd+cd live...
2010-06-09 16013, 2010
nikki
ohh
2010-06-09 16026, 2010
jesus2099
yes hehe, that's crazy, speaking of romanisation.. Are there user submitted info over there? It's Galneryus second live DVD plus CD live for "ruribu" for one
2010-06-09 16012, 2010
jesus2099
the correct title is live for all - live for one, :)
