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Anyone want to vote on an edit? http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12946975 will clear up a disc ID I accidentally attached to the wrong release.

got four votes now :P

lol, that was fast.

looks like navap and I jumped on it :)

thanks :)

experienced mb folk: what are your thoughts on an "All-State Choir" type artist -- that is... I have some discs from the Arizona High School All-State Choir festival; the albumartist on that is hard to decide

(the choir performing is a per-year audition-in ensemble from across the state)

(if anything I said made any sense, lol)

kepstin: still up?

http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12965818 .

rswarbrick: what about http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Opera_Track_Style ?

Mineo: Hmm, yes, but that seems to apply more to actual discs with one opera on them? It seems a bit of a cumbersome set of track names to inflict on this particular disc...

how is it credited on the cover?

I don't know (I don't own the CD), but philipglass.com (!) has it here, with "(from)"s: http://www.philipglass.com/music/recordings/son...

rswarbrick: well, question is, is that artist intent or simply to show which operas the tracks are from ?

Ok, well which artist? I mean, I'm not sure what you really mean by artist's intent in this case.

by artist intent i mean http://musicbrainz.org/doc/ArtistIntent

but i think "<track name> (from <opera>)" is a common form to name tracks, so you can apply opera track style on them

hehe: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/d16c03ea-6ea3-4c8...

Ok, I understand that. Sorry, what I meant is that Philip Glass probably didn't have any "intent" naming the tracks on this particular CD. He named the songs, which both options agree with exactly, but the question is the "metadata" in the track names.

Really don't think this chap was born / died on the same dates as Johann Sebastian Bach

Mineo: Opera track style?

enjayhch: He was ahead of his time...

enjayhch: Instead of removing the dates, change them using http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Barlow

what does it mean when picard tags by folksonomy ?

I've looked up folksonomy and folksonomy tagging but I'm not sure how picard would use it for genres

People on MusicBrainz tend to use genres as tags for releases.

should I enable folsonomy tagging for genres ?

is there a way to have picard play a music file so that I can verify that it is the correct song ?

oh, hi nikki.

hi hi

does "a karaoke version" seem that wrong to you?

hmm? It's not wrong, it just doesn't work if there's more than one karaoke version

"Awesome Song has a karaoke version Awesome Song (karaoke) and Awesome Song -instrumental-"

tis a bit weird.

...

it works for me, but maybe I've just spent too much time reading totally bizarrely phrased relationships ;)

not that I expect that'll happen much, but still.

second, as far as I know, picard doesn't have any music playing abilities, sorry.

yeah, it would be nice if the relationship phases supported being translated and having alternate plural versions.

ok thanks

yeah

What would be better still is to remove the need for phrases entirely and just list off credits.

The credit itself can easily be translated.

I was wondering 'cause I think I'd prefer to keep the current wording, it's not ideal for more than one, but I think it sounds better when there is only one (which will presumably be the majority of cases)

navap, the NGS test server does that for a lot of the track->artist relations on the release page, iirc?

yep

Yeah

nikki, yeah, feel free to leave it as is. I don't expect multiple karaoke versions to be an issue, and it does sound better for one.

ok then :)

hi

anyone in here who can help me converting a release group to a box set? :)

I think I mistakenly added a release group while in fact it should have been a box set

...and now that I've read the definition of a release group, I *know* I did it wrong

hmmm... everybody's celebrating their weekend, I suppose :)

do you need to combine multiple release groups into one?

no... I have a box set here

and I added it as a release group

by mistake

it's a set of disks which are also individually available, or previously released?

well... it's a re-release, packed onto 16 CD's which were also released on many more CD's separately in the past

huh. that's an odd case.

so the individual cd's of this release are actually not individually available

and each cd would contain songs from more than one previously released album?

yup

hmm. In this case, it's probably fine to leave them all together as a release group, there's not much point in having them seperate

I don't know how good your Dutch is, but here's the description of the box set: http://www.webwinkel.kro.nl/kro/productdetails....

kepstin: that's not what I think I know is a release group :)

there's two conflicting things that a release group is used for right now

1. grouping together multiple versions of the same release, including translated/transliterated track listings

2. grouping together the discs of a multi-disc release that are never available seperately

kepstin: I see.. from the MB's help I only found the description of the first description

errr

the first option, I mean :)

were you looking at http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Release_Group ?

exactly

that page specifically mentions that "each disc in a box set would normally be part of the same release group"

ah

okay... so my first entry was correct, then?

it sounds like it

allright... next question - how do I change the title of the release group? Editing it doesn't change anything

edits are put into a queue to be voted on, it's probably waiting for votes

iGadget, you have to wait for the edit to pass moderation before the change takes effect

send us a link to the release, and we can probably help you on that :)

and I can't edit anything that's in the moderation queue?

you can, it just adds another entry to the moderation queue. But then there's odd issues with conflicting edits

if you click on "view release group edits", you can see the history (including pending changes)

so, http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12971790 is the edit you made for the release group title

kepstin: seems like it :)

and I suppose I have to wait moderation before I can see the change?

one thing to remember is that every release has to be in a release group. In many cases, you get a release group that only contains one release, but that's OK.

allright

iGadget, yeah. If three people vote yes, an edit can pass quicker, however.

so, what's the correct way to add the second CD out of this set to the same release group?

(and the following CD's as well of course)

you probably want to merge the release groups together

okay... let's see if I can pull that off :)

If you go to the artist's page, you can check the boxes of all of the release groups that should be together. THen click "Merge selected release groups" near the top of the page

I think I submitted the second CD somewhere...

kepstin: allright, that seems to work. However, the resulting release group still has the wrong name... is simply adding a note about that enough to make the merge go smooth?

iGadget, the rename will still apply after the groups are merged.

great.

hmmm... just merged the two groups, but it's not reflected yet. Again a moderation issue?

yep

iGadget, yes. See http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Editing_FAQ#How_long...

okay... not very WYSIWYG this way, but I guess I'll just have to prove myself and be granted auto-edit priviledges some day ;)

iGadget, it's usually a good thing to have to wait. It means that other people have a chance to look at your changes and double-check that they're correct.

I see a lot of new people who get confused when they make edits and nothing happens :/