anyone knows why release web service v1 returns track arranger, producer, insts and vocals but not compo and lyrics ? I know compo and lyrics are works rels but so is arranger isn’t it ? (and I see arranger) example : http://musicbrainz.org/ws/1/release/277eeaaf-0dec…
hehe ... yes the same server is used for classic and ngs indexed searches I think it’s why we have to use direct searches in classic now
2011-05-23 14332, 2011
hawke__
yes.
2011-05-23 14341, 2011
hawke__
Maybe direct search should be made default on classic
2011-05-23 14351, 2011
jesus2099
it would be gr8 to keep classic instead of shutting it down so soon. we can see much more info in this
2011-05-23 14332, 2011
hawke__
Oh?
2011-05-23 14356, 2011
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Shisma
hey
2011-05-23 14347, 2011
Shisma
should I enter whole mixes into musicbrainz?
2011-05-23 14309, 2011
hawke__
What is “whole mixes”?
2011-05-23 14310, 2011
Shisma
tracks that are multiple hours long and contain multiple songs
2011-05-23 14303, 2011
warp
Shisma: as they as they have been release in some fashion, yes.
2011-05-23 14305, 2011
hawke__
I don’t see much value in it myself, but I would say “why not?”
2011-05-23 14308, 2011
warp
s/as/as long/
2011-05-23 14321, 2011
Eelis
warp: does "having been played on the radio" count as "released"?
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Eelis
there is certainly precedent
2011-05-23 14354, 2011
warp
Eelis: not in itself. but if such radio shows are regularly recording and available as bootleg torrents for example, then yes.
2011-05-23 14304, 2011
Eelis
wow, so torrent availability is a factor?
2011-05-23 14305, 2011
warp
recorded*
2011-05-23 14307, 2011
Eelis
that's crazy
2011-05-23 14317, 2011
warp
Eelis: I'm just using it as an example.
2011-05-23 14324, 2011
Eelis
but obviously a realistic example
2011-05-23 14326, 2011
Shisma
is it possible that a lot of url relationship are gone since we are on ngs?
2011-05-23 14331, 2011
warp
if you recording it yourself, for yourself, it hasn't been released.
2011-05-23 14341, 2011
warp
(aaargh, grammar today).
2011-05-23 14305, 2011
Shisma
do you mean my grammer?
2011-05-23 14306, 2011
warp
Eelis: but if someone records it, and makes it available to hundreds of people, it has obviously been released.
2011-05-23 14312, 2011
warp
Shisma: no, my own :)
2011-05-23 14313, 2011
hawke__
Eelis: It is a factor though. No reason you can’t just self-publish a release on bittorrent. :-)
2011-05-23 14318, 2011
hawke__
Even a compilation
2011-05-23 14329, 2011
hawke__
If it weren’t such a pain, I’d add the SXSW torrents.
2011-05-23 14338, 2011
Eelis
hawke__: but what warp now seems to be saying is that it depends on how many people then download the torrent
2011-05-23 14307, 2011
hawke__
Eelis: no, “Makes available” is not dependent on number of downloads.
2011-05-23 14325, 2011
Eelis
but every public torrent is in principle available to the whole planet
2011-05-23 14336, 2011
hawke__
Yes.
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Eelis
which makes every public torrent a "release"
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hawke__
Yup.
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warp
Eelis: correct.
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Eelis
then my "so torrent availability is a factor" was correct after all
2011-05-23 14326, 2011
hawke__
Yup.
2011-05-23 14313, 2011
Eelis
ok, good
2011-05-23 14339, 2011
Eelis
does it matter if the torrent is "legal"?
2011-05-23 14345, 2011
hawke__
Nope.
2011-05-23 14350, 2011
Eelis
excellent, thanks
2011-05-23 14311, 2011
warp
Eelis: we do have a rule against chart torrents though.
2011-05-23 14316, 2011
Eelis
what are those?
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hawke__
A torrent for a billboard top 100 for a given year, e.g.
2011-05-23 14350, 2011
warp
the kind of bootleg releases which include all tracks for the Top 40 chart of a specific region for a specific timeframe (usually weekly).
2011-05-23 14353, 2011
Eelis
but we don't have a similar rule against CDs of the same type?
2011-05-23 14357, 2011
hawke__
Where the list itself is (questionably) copyrighted.
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warp
Eelis: I'm not sure what you mean with CDs of the same type.
2011-05-23 14324, 2011
Eelis
warp: chart CDs
2011-05-23 14351, 2011
warp
Eelis: can you give an example?
2011-05-23 14335, 2011
Eelis
aren't record stores full of cd's like "Top 20 Trance Hits of 2010" ?
2011-05-23 14339, 2011
hawke__
Eelis: It’s basically because no one claims copyright on tracklistings for normal CDs, where as a top 40 listing is the entire business of the company which tracks that crap and therefore they’re more likely to sue/care.
what's the difference between "published" and "released"?
2011-05-23 14358, 2011
warp
I would say published involves a publisher.
2011-05-23 14308, 2011
Eelis
ah, i see
2011-05-23 14315, 2011
hawke__
I would say “nothing”
2011-05-23 14320, 2011
Eelis
oh
2011-05-23 14346, 2011
warp
haha
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pesto
huh. adding an artist doesn't auto-subscribe you to that artist any more?
2011-05-23 14307, 2011
Eelis
what's "non-human music"?
2011-05-23 14317, 2011
pesto
Eelis, vocaloid? :)
2011-05-23 14322, 2011
Eelis
pesto: never heard of it. i'll look it up
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pesto missed the start of the conversation
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warp
music made by computer programs.
2011-05-23 14330, 2011
Eelis
ah
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kepstin-laptop
note that vocaloid actually doesn't count for that, because it's a synthesizer instrument programmed by humans.
2011-05-23 14313, 2011
kepstin-laptop
not completely computer-generated.
2011-05-23 14321, 2011
warp
Eelis: or music made by animals or aliens, or....
2011-05-23 14329, 2011
Eelis
warp: i can't think of any examples
2011-05-23 14331, 2011
warp
:)
2011-05-23 14335, 2011
Eelis
kepstin-laptop: what would be an example that /does/ count?
2011-05-23 14347, 2011
jesus2099
Here is a new userjs (opera, firefrox, greasemonkey) for fast Classic / NGS switching http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/103422 (most of my other MB userjs are currently ☠)
