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      • ianmcorvidae
        needs more inline style documentation, then, perhaps
      • 2011-06-12 16345, 2011

      • nikki
        that still requires reading
      • 2011-06-12 16304, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        at least it doesn't require clicking any links
      • 2011-06-12 16309, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        that should get another couple percent, right? :P
      • 2011-06-12 16319, 2011

      • nikki
        a fraction of a percent maybe :P
      • 2011-06-12 16357, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        we should have captchas for edits
      • 2011-06-12 16302, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        that make you answer questions about the style guidelines :P
      • 2011-06-12 16305, 2011

      • nikki
        haha
      • 2011-06-12 16327, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        which of these is proper capitalization for english? <multiple choice>
      • 2011-06-12 16330, 2011

      • kepstin
        nikki: can you link me to that userscript for showing the entire comment again? I seem to have lost my copy when I was moving some stuff around.
      • 2011-06-12 16339, 2011

      • kepstin
        annotation, I mean
      • 2011-06-12 16351, 2011

      • nikki
      • 2011-06-12 16305, 2011

      • nikki idly notes that userscripts.org has a search function :P
      • 2011-06-12 16347, 2011

      • kepstin
        but this is so much... no, it's not really faster :)
      • 2011-06-12 16306, 2011

      • nikki
        :P
      • 2011-06-12 16328, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        this is more social
      • 2011-06-12 16330, 2011

      • ianmcorvidae
        or something
      • 2011-06-12 16349, 2011

      • nikki reaches T in her subscribed artists email...
      • 2011-06-12 16325, 2011

      • kepstin
        heh
      • 2011-06-12 16349, 2011

      • nikki
        having edits show up under every artist on a compilation is rather annoying
      • 2011-06-12 16357, 2011

      • nikki
        I've seen some of these edits a zillion times now
      • 2011-06-12 16311, 2011

      • kepstin
        bitmap: I found another backwards AR for your relationships userscript: "first album release of" / "first album release" (which show up as "later release", "earliest release" on the relationships page)
      • 2011-06-12 16327, 2011

      • kepstin
      • 2011-06-12 16352, 2011

      • bitmap
        I can fix the wording. it's not backwards though, is it?
      • 2011-06-12 16306, 2011

      • kepstin
        hmm. actually
      • 2011-06-12 16310, 2011

      • kepstin looks again
      • 2011-06-12 16313, 2011

      • kepstin
        no, it's not.
      • 2011-06-12 16335, 2011

      • bitmap
        not sure why the web service has to return different names in the first place
      • 2011-06-12 16319, 2011

      • nikki
        the webservice is supposed to return the relationship name, because that never changes (whereas the link phrases can change at any time)
      • 2011-06-12 16325, 2011

      • kepstin
        the wording's not even very consistent on the website :/
      • 2011-06-12 16346, 2011

      • kepstin
        although it's better than it used to be
      • 2011-06-12 16348, 2011

      • bitmap
        nikki: ah, that makes sense
      • 2011-06-12 16347, 2011

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      • 2011-06-12 16310, 2011

      • bitmap
      • 2011-06-12 16325, 2011

      • kepstin
        oh, cool, a patch :)
      • 2011-06-12 16304, 2011

      • bitmap
        yeah, I do like how they make diffs for each version
      • 2011-06-12 16321, 2011

      • kepstin
        be cooler if I could get the raw diff so I could just pipe it into patch, though.
      • 2011-06-12 16339, 2011

      • bitmap
        true
      • 2011-06-12 16346, 2011

      • nikki
        at least you can copy/paste
      • 2011-06-12 16353, 2011

      • kepstin
        huh, weird, the patch failed.
      • 2011-06-12 16358, 2011

      • kepstin pokes at it.
      • 2011-06-12 16323, 2011

      • bitmap
        probably from all of your customizations ;)
      • 2011-06-12 16332, 2011

      • kepstin
        I didn't touch those bits
      • 2011-06-12 16316, 2011

      • kepstin just uses vimdiff to merge them again
      • 2011-06-12 16340, 2011

      • kepstin
        man, figuring out what I can merge is gonna be tricky in http://musicbrainz.org/search?query=%E3%82%B3%E3%…
      • 2011-06-12 16300, 2011

      • kepstin
        my ali project collection isn't complete enough to identify which ones of those are the same :/
      • 2011-06-12 16346, 2011

      • kepstin
        also, search results don't show comments? that's kind of annoying.
      • 2011-06-12 16331, 2011

      • kepstin
        oh, that was marked fixed today.
      • 2011-06-12 16334, 2011

      • kepstin
        cool :)
      • 2011-06-12 16340, 2011

      • kepstin
        when's the next release?
      • 2011-06-12 16335, 2011

      • nikki
        monday
      • 2011-06-12 16353, 2011

      • nikki
        if you turn off the relationships with that script, do they stay off until you turn them back on?
      • 2011-06-12 16303, 2011

      • bitmap
        nikki: yes
      • 2011-06-12 16308, 2011

      • nikki would check, but removed that code :P
      • 2011-06-12 16311, 2011

      • kepstin
        nikki: uses a cookie for that, iirc
      • 2011-06-12 16321, 2011

      • bitmap
        nikki: it doesn't even make the request
      • 2011-06-12 16325, 2011

      • nikki
        I know it remembers inline versus bottom
      • 2011-06-12 16331, 2011

      • nikki
        just wasn't sure about off
      • 2011-06-12 16351, 2011

      • bitmap
        it just sets the cookie to "disabled"
      • 2011-06-12 16305, 2011

      • nikki
        ah, cool
      • 2011-06-12 16335, 2011

      • kepstin
        right. so it looks like the minimum number of recordings of コッペリアの柩 we need to have are: original version (and karaoke), noir version, hyper remix version (and karaoke), and at least (maybe two) live versions.
      • 2011-06-12 16340, 2011

      • kepstin
        not counting covers.
      • 2011-06-12 16335, 2011

      • kepstin
        and the original and noir versions are within a couple seconds of eachother in length, so you can't tell them apart by that :/
      • 2011-06-12 16341, 2011

      • kepstin
        hmm. search results don't highlight recordings with pending edits, either
      • 2011-06-12 16330, 2011

      • nikki
        aww, subscriptions email back at the wrong time again...
      • 2011-06-12 16339, 2011

      • nikki
        right as I finished reading yesterday's :P
      • 2011-06-12 16335, 2011

      • kepstin
        heh
      • 2011-06-12 16357, 2011

      • kepstin
        aw, man, now I have two of them to go through.
      • 2011-06-12 16321, 2011

      • kepstin
        wait, no, 3. how did that happen.
      • 2011-06-12 16328, 2011

      • nikki
        at least today's is "only" 36kb, yesterday's was 57kb
      • 2011-06-12 16331, 2011

      • reosarevok
        nikki: I told you it would happen http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14605496
      • 2011-06-12 16349, 2011

      • nikki
        heh
      • 2011-06-12 16319, 2011

      • reosarevok
        v6lur: we were talking about this just yesterday (the edit is yours)
      • 2011-06-12 16347, 2011

      • v6lur
        what? :P
      • 2011-06-12 16308, 2011

      • v6lur
        my rationale was that in the grand scheme of USSR, no-one knew them
      • 2011-06-12 16331, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Like "should an Estonian born and dead during the Soviet times have SU or EE as the country", and "what about bands from these regions when under the USSR"
      • 2011-06-12 16332, 2011

      • v6lur
        in estonia(n SSR), "someone might" (folk who's into punk)
      • 2011-06-12 16344, 2011

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      • 2011-06-12 16337, 2011

      • v6lur
        well, since we dont have *all* the historical countries, i'm just gonna use present borders...
      • 2011-06-12 16345, 2011

      • nikki
        are they still active?
      • 2011-06-12 16354, 2011

      • nikki sees a 2010 release of some description
      • 2011-06-12 16354, 2011

      • v6lur
        doubt it
      • 2011-06-12 16319, 2011

      • v6lur
        a compilation of estonian punk
      • 2011-06-12 16324, 2011

      • reosarevok doesn't think only of this case anyway, but of all of them
      • 2011-06-12 16337, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Where is a person born in Algeria in the 50's from?
      • 2011-06-12 16353, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (we do have France as an option too, after all)
      • 2011-06-12 16353, 2011

      • v6lur
        is s/he considered "algerian"?
      • 2011-06-12 16321, 2011

      • v6lur
        if s/he is, i'd use "algeria"
      • 2011-06-12 16305, 2011

      • v6lur
        politics is a messy stuff, and countries and their borders are very much political
      • 2011-06-12 16316, 2011

      • v6lur
        (to state the obvious...)
      • 2011-06-12 16331, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Yeah, but "considered" is also quite hard to prove
      • 2011-06-12 16348, 2011

      • reosarevok
        "was born here" is at least a contrastable fact
      • 2011-06-12 16356, 2011

      • v6lur
        what does wiipedia say? :P
      • 2011-06-12 16311, 2011

      • v6lur
        er, wikipedia
      • 2011-06-12 16332, 2011

      • reosarevok
        It's an hypothetical case, not a specific one, so I don't know
      • 2011-06-12 16351, 2011

      • kepstin
        right. how in the world am I supposed to vote on http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14599287 ?
      • 2011-06-12 16352, 2011

      • nikki
        wikipedia? have articles about music? don't be silly
      • 2011-06-12 16356, 2011

      • reosarevok
        But for example, I have a guy who is active in the Spanish rap scene and considered a part of it
      • 2011-06-12 16305, 2011

      • reosarevok
        But he was born in Argentina and came to Spain when he was like 20
      • 2011-06-12 16324, 2011

      • nikki
        kepstin: with difficulty :P
      • 2011-06-12 16332, 2011

      • reosarevok
        kepstin: waiting until that's fixed, hopefully in less than 11 days
      • 2011-06-12 16334, 2011

      • v6lur
        oh, they have everything -- including a reference to a webcomic in a linguistics article xD
      • 2011-06-12 16335, 2011

      • nikki wants proper locations and a relationship for born/died/etc
      • 2011-06-12 16355, 2011

      • nikki
        they have plenty of random crap, but they really hate music
      • 2011-06-12 16306, 2011

      • reosarevok wants proper locations just so he can use "London, England, UK"
      • 2011-06-12 16311, 2011

      • reosarevok
        ;)
      • 2011-06-12 16318, 2011

      • nikki kicks reosarevok
      • 2011-06-12 16347, 2011

      • v6lur
        i imagine geographic coordinates might be more perspective...
      • 2011-06-12 16357, 2011

      • v6lur
        for a while, at least
      • 2011-06-12 16308, 2011

      • nikki
        would be difficult if all you know is that they're from some country
      • 2011-06-12 16330, 2011

      • v6lur
        hm, true
      • 2011-06-12 16337, 2011

      • nikki
        or maybe we should just have "was born at [link to geonames here]" :P
      • 2011-06-12 16354, 2011

      • reosarevok
        We could use Wikipedia for that
      • 2011-06-12 16304, 2011

      • reosarevok
        They seem to store crappy villages in the middle of nowhere
      • 2011-06-12 16308, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Apparently that's notable
      • 2011-06-12 16313, 2011

      • nikki
        heh
      • 2011-06-12 16332, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (now someone will say "hey, I come from one of those!")
      • 2011-06-12 16333, 2011

      • v6lur
        i kinda feel sorry for the english-language wikipedia
      • 2011-06-12 16344, 2011

      • reosarevok
        nikki: proper locations wouldn't solve the issue with bands though
      • 2011-06-12 16345, 2011

      • v6lur
        the other language editions often include one sentence articles about random crap semi-relevant for given language commutity
      • 2011-06-12 16314, 2011

      • v6lur
        but the english (= 'global') edition has deletionists and the likes
      • 2011-06-12 16338, 2011

      • nikki
        yeah, I noticed that it's nearly always the english wikipedia with the deleted pages
      • 2011-06-12 16303, 2011

      • nikki
        the japanese one has a habit of moving pages and deleting the redirects, which is annoying but at least I can just edit the url
      • 2011-06-12 16318, 2011

      • reosarevok
        The French one has the habit of wanting everything there and no external links
      • 2011-06-12 16321, 2011

      • v6lur
        why would they do that? :O
      • 2011-06-12 16326, 2011

      • reosarevok
        The Spanish one has the habit of being crap
      • 2011-06-12 16328, 2011

      • v6lur
        heh
      • 2011-06-12 16331, 2011

      • nikki
        they want to delete something but don't know what :P
      • 2011-06-12 16334, 2011

      • nikki
        haha
      • 2011-06-12 16310, 2011

      • nikki
        they're probably like "nothing links here *delete*", completely forgetting that the internet isn't just the japanese wikipedia
      • 2011-06-12 16347, 2011

      • reosarevok
        wow
      • 2011-06-12 16359, 2011

      • reosarevok sees we have an artist "Andres (little-known Estonian DJ)"
      • 2011-06-12 16312, 2011

      • reosarevok
        I wonder if that means he's even *less* known than the average Estonian DJ
      • 2011-06-12 16321, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Because that probably means his mom can't remember him
      • 2011-06-12 16357, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Oh, I see that was added by intgr
      • 2011-06-12 16301, 2011

      • v6lur
        i think i've encountered that name in some edit :P
      • 2011-06-12 16312, 2011

      • v6lur
        ...or apparently not.
      • 2011-06-12 16333, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Huh?
      • 2011-06-12 16344, 2011

      • reosarevok
        IPIs don't appear anywhere in the edits for an artist?
      • 2011-06-12 16350, 2011

      • nikki
        I've seen then
      • 2011-06-12 16352, 2011

      • nikki
        them
      • 2011-06-12 16310, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Oh
      • 2011-06-12 16314, 2011

      • reosarevok
        They appear if you change them
      • 2011-06-12 16317, 2011

      • reosarevok
        But not when you add them
      • 2011-06-12 16320, 2011

      • reosarevok
      • 2011-06-12 16330, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (yeah, another wrong credit in the Spanish DB)
      • 2011-06-12 16351, 2011

      • nikki
      • 2011-06-12 16309, 2011

      • nikki
        that edit appears under the artist
      • 2011-06-12 16356, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Oh?
      • 2011-06-12 16309, 2011

      • reosarevok
        So maybe it just doesn't appear if you add the IPI *while* creating the artist?