#musicbrainz

any autoeditors here who want to approve medium edits? (since they essentially auto-fail in 3 weeks)

Hello guys, how have you been using MusicBrainz with iTunes? I just ran into a lot of possibilities, no solutions at all....

what kind of solutions are you looking for?

bitmap, specifically for updating the library with new tags

the old "get info" trick is not working quite well

guhcampos: the last person working on itunes integration was falcotron, but he's been inactive for months...if you're using OSX, you might try the code at http://code.google.com/p/picardplugins/wiki/ITu...), otherwise I wouldn't expect anything to work

bitmap, I've seem the comment on his work, but unfortunatelly (for me) I'm on windows =|

ah

So the deal is: nobody is using itunes so

I use itunes for my ipod, but I update the library so infrequently that I don't mind doing it manually

I see... I get new stuff (and delete things I dislike) quite often, and my library is huge =|

I wouldn't care to use another player, really, but since I got an iPhone I haven o option, because of the apps

since itunes is proprietary it's difficult to develop support for it (especially cross-platform), and pretty much no one is interested in working on it right now

I hate the evil empire

yeah, and guys at apple don't make it any easier

=|

I was thinking about some python stuff I could arrange, but I don't really know from where to start

I don't know anything about development on windows...a comment in http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/3976 says it's possible using the itunes COM sdk

I've read it, but I'm clueless on Windows Dev too

I was thinking of something a bit bolder: messing with the .xml of Itunes library

I used a hack with it once

deleted the entire library and then just imported the XML again

so maybe I could scan the files and then write the tags to the Library XML instead of directly to iTunes

it's worth a try, I guess

ooh, "live instrumental cover performance"... nice!

not an unbelievable combination, haha

v6lur: *partial* live instrumental cover performance

even better! :)

bitmap: why is the sign ":" in %album% replace to the sign "_" for writing to disk?

HeinzBoettjer: windows/mac don't allow ":" in filenames

Is it not the better decision to make the used system or filesystem than on the minimum standard?

(sorry maybe bad english)

HeinzBoettjer: the option is "replace non-windows-compatible characters" I believe

yep, I'd try disabling that

I wish it would just omit the symbol altogether

on osx I just replace it with some unicode colon (though I don't remember which specific one)

Thanks, this option I didn't realize. Checked as default is a good decision (and new glasses for me to) :-|

héhé

LOL http://youtu.be/2lQBsMVAK5o

hey can anyone see this "check all votes thing“ in http://musicbrainz.org/work/0df5668e-8f2f-3d2b-... ??? or is it just me ? IUt’s bugged because it only appear sometimes when we don’t need it (just one edit to vote for instance)

Like I said the other day but I couldn’t find example back http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/201...

now that I have this bug back in front of me I tested and can say that it is not a bug or leftover from my "check all votes" userjs http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/57765

(which only appears when needed)

sorry CatCat , I can’t see youtube here

nikki: CatCat ; do you see this “Vote on all edits” or is it ujst me ?

I always see it

Well I almost never see it, just only when it shouldn’t be there :)

so I filed a bug because it might not include some features I’ve experienced in my 2 years of “check all votes” updates http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-2944

jesus2099: I don't see it on this page either, but on most other pages...

Maybe it is related to unicode characters?

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I don't have edits with Japanese language in my edit queue that often...

for instance I don’t see it here http://musicbrainz.org/user/hrglgrmpf/edits/open … do you see it in http://musicbrainz.org/user/jesus2099/edits/open ?

Yes, in your edit queue it is visible for me...

So probably has nothing to do with characters...

maybe it has to do with jesus2099 then…

In http://musicbrainz.org/user/nikki/edits/open it is also visible...

I never see it, reosvork neither sees it

I don’t see it in your new link either

nikki’s edits

and it’s not because of my userjs as I tried to remove it but still the same

Oh, I thought you meant your userjs!

Ah you mean you can see my userjs !

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Yes, in the edit queues of nikki and you, but not in the edit queue of the work

I can too of course ! :D I meant there is a (new?) “vote on all edits” similar to my userjs that appears randomly

in the work edit queue it is normal that my userjs doesn’t show up as there is only one votable edit

nikki: what is it that you are always seeing then ?

Ah, but in the work edit queue I can see "Vote on all edits:" :-)

hrglgrmpf: like me then, same bug

I see it on your open edits, but not on my own (for obvious reasons I hope)

nikki: bof

strange, so it’s not a mirage, but maybe it’s a mirage only for non automods

and it's not new, it was there in mason too. I imagine the logic for it is broken in some way

for non automods, it is not supposed to appear but it appears in some random places

And now something completely different : is it OK if I link a release to a completely wrong ASIN (except it is matching the bar code) ? ← it’s wrong cover, wrong format etc.

hmm, just a short question: I got the impression that with NGS we copy the track list a bit more exactly than with pre-NGS (e.g. don't enter " / hidden track" in track list, but in the recording name)

I wouldn’t either so I found the correct cover pic and tried to remove the ASIN for the second time in http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14753688

nikki: ↗

Is this correct, and if it is, should I file an RFC for a clarification of the style guide?

hrglgrmpf: no opinion, it’s not a bad idea but makes the hidden track pretty much… well, hidden, indeed :)

hrglgrmpf: why'd you want to "re-hide" them?

jesus2099: Yes, but this is actually a great semantical improvement :-)

This way, it is visible that the track is hidden (but the name is not lost at all, since it is in the recording)

I would too but that was still a great idea, stylisically speaking ;)

we can't have everything as on cover anyway... impossible already in principle

(different fonts, all-caps/small-caps titles, play-of-colours, etc...)

v6lur: yes, of course... but with NGS we can do it a little better

but is there a point to it? :)

e.g. I think "(feat. Artist)" should now not be entered in the tracklist anymore?

if we could have the hidden song still there but greyed out, wow !

i wouldn't re-introduce proven typos, for example...

hrglgrmpf: the tendency seems to be entering them as artist credits, yes

v6lur: I've seen edits that reintroduce typos (not by my) with a prove of the cover image...

I thought this isn't bad since the recording has the standardized name...

it might be handy to identify different releases...

and actually it's the same with wrong capitalization: the tracklist is the most visible part, and if stuff is wrong there, people will assume that the wrong stuff is actually correct

v6lur: Well, I see the all-caps as a font style... so I would still use our capitalization for that

but if e.g. on a compilation they credit a band as "The Artist", but it is really just "Artist", I'm now entering it as "The Artist" (but of course linked to the right artist)

yea, and i regard mid-sentence 'Of' and such as a styling issue and would rather enter it as 'of' ;)

hrglgrmpf: everyone has their own opinion on how much standardising should happen. pretty much everything from "enter everything as close to the cover as possible no matter how little sense it makes or how ridiculous it looks" to "continue applying style guidelines but allow tracks to have different names if the name was changed"

i suppose i'm an example of the latter, then

but there are people who think I'm going too far, and others who think I'm not :)

nikki: true... what would you do with hidden tracks that don't appear on the track list at all?

as I said before, I'd still enter them :P

as would i