is was voted to change the track title to reflect the censorship
2011-07-07 18848, 2011
luks
it's a wierd kind of "translation"
2011-07-07 18851, 2011
reosarevok also agrees with that change
2011-07-07 18803, 2011
reosarevok
(while thinking the fact that it needs to happen is laughable)
2011-07-07 18816, 2011
hrglgrmpf
reosarevok: agreed :-)
2011-07-07 18832, 2011
luks
there are tracks that have different titles just because of censorship
2011-07-07 18838, 2011
luks
but the recordings are otherwise the same
2011-07-07 18851, 2011
hrglgrmpf
luks: ok, so the thing is getting more complicated: we do correct spelling mistakes in track titles, reflect hidden tracks, but allow certain "edge cases"?
2011-07-07 18819, 2011
reosarevok
hrglgrmpf: did you for a single second believe it would be easy? :D
2011-07-07 18827, 2011
reosarevok
This. Is. MusicBrainz.
2011-07-07 18842, 2011
luks
that's why I sayd "use common sense" should be in the style guidelines
2011-07-07 18842, 2011
hrglgrmpf
reosarevok: well, I *was* naive...
2011-07-07 18843, 2011
reosarevok kicks some random person into a pit
2011-07-07 18846, 2011
luks
it's not easy to define
2011-07-07 18805, 2011
luks
I see track titles as "title variations"
2011-07-07 18819, 2011
luks
hiding a track title is not a variation
2011-07-07 18825, 2011
luks
a censored title is a variation
2011-07-07 18830, 2011
hrglgrmpf
luks: but isn't different spelling also a "title variation"?
2011-07-07 18855, 2011
luks
no, that's stupidity of the person who mispelled it :)
2011-07-07 18856, 2011
reosarevok
hrglgrmpf: and here we reach the "variation" vs. "mistake" issue :D
2011-07-07 18820, 2011
luks
unless you mean things like UK vs US English spelling
2011-07-07 18824, 2011
luks
in which case it is a variation
2011-07-07 18842, 2011
hrglgrmpf
Ok! I still don't agree on that hidden track issue though :-(
2011-07-07 18817, 2011
hrglgrmpf
But I guess I'm overruled by guideline and votes, so I let it rest...
2011-07-07 18823, 2011
reosarevok
I see both points on the hidden track issue and I think I'd actually remove it
2011-07-07 18835, 2011
reosarevok
But yeah, still a minority
2011-07-07 18811, 2011
hrglgrmpf
reosarevok: what do you mean? You would also remove the hidden track from the track title?
2011-07-07 18814, 2011
reosarevok
Yes
2011-07-07 18824, 2011
reosarevok
I'm not entirely convinced
2011-07-07 18827, 2011
reosarevok
But I do see the point
2011-07-07 18849, 2011
reosarevok
After all, if an artist appears as featured in one version of a release, and does not appear in other
2011-07-07 18804, 2011
reosarevok
I'd add him in one and not in the other
2011-07-07 18818, 2011
reosarevok
I'd not add him to both because it is useful info
2011-07-07 18823, 2011
reosarevok
(even though it is!)
2011-07-07 18836, 2011
reosarevok
(I mean, with both recordings being the same, just one not mentioning it)
2011-07-07 18801, 2011
hrglgrmpf
reosarevok: exactly my thoughts... we don't loose information, we get more information
2011-07-07 18833, 2011
luks
is it useful information though?
2011-07-07 18834, 2011
hrglgrmpf
like "ah, this track was meant to be hidden here, it are not just two songs on one track"
2011-07-07 18808, 2011
hrglgrmpf
luks: it seems to be useful, wikipedia and all others sources usually explicitely mention the fact that there was a "hidden track"
2011-07-07 18822, 2011
reosarevok
luks: I'd say it is, but I'd also say it is already provided by the recording being related to said artist
2011-07-07 18827, 2011
reosarevok
(assuming you spoke of that)
2011-07-07 18833, 2011
hrglgrmpf
in MB hidden track / combined track are exactly the same :-(
2011-07-07 18845, 2011
luks
I think it's a kind of information that belongs that the recording annotation
2011-07-07 18801, 2011
luks
"this was released as a hidden track on the UK version of Album"
2011-07-07 18802, 2011
reosarevok
If we didn't have the issue of hidden tracks with its own track, I'd be strongly in favour of removing them from track titles
2011-07-07 18810, 2011
reosarevok
But with them, I'm afraid it would be quite inconsistent
2011-07-07 18840, 2011
reosarevok
Of course, I keep looking at it from a DB point of view, not a tagging point of view, and I can see why it could be somewhat annoying there
2011-07-07 18823, 2011
hrglgrmpf
reosarevok: well, I would prefer making the "use recording name" option default in Picard...
2011-07-07 18833, 2011
reosarevok
(OT: wow, flamenco is *terribly* entered into MB)
2011-07-07 18842, 2011
hrglgrmpf
but there seem to be many problems...
2011-07-07 18858, 2011
hrglgrmpf
luks: by the way, can merge my plugin include request on baazar?
2011-07-07 18824, 2011
reosarevok mehs at all the "feat." in work titles
2011-07-07 18840, 2011
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reosarevok
ruaok: could you make nikkibot an autoeditor?
2011-07-07 18848, 2011
reosarevok
(not necessarily now, as it still doesn't do anything)
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warp
reosarevok: depends on what it will be doing. in general I (we?) frown on any automated users, and they definitely should not be autoeditors.
2011-07-07 18804, 2011
reosarevok
warp: I really want something to take (feat.) out of the more than one thousand works that have it
2011-07-07 18812, 2011
reosarevok
But I imagine I could approve all the edits
2011-07-07 18820, 2011
reosarevok
In case someone goes wrong
2011-07-07 18840, 2011
warp
you could ofcourse suggest it to the autoeditors mailinglist :)
2011-07-07 18859, 2011
hrglgrmpf
reosarevok: why not do it as non-auto edit? I guess no user would vote against it, but it is less intrusive?
2011-07-07 18807, 2011
warp
which seems the appropriate channel even if the candidate being put forth is not a human.
2011-07-07 18837, 2011
reosarevok
hrglgrmpf: I didn't want to unleash 1k+ straightforward edits into the queue
2011-07-07 18846, 2011
ruaok
reosarevok: remind me after brekky please
2011-07-07 18809, 2011
hrglgrmpf
reosarevok: the queue is so big, 1k doesn't matter for me :-)
2011-07-07 18823, 2011
reosarevok
But it *shouldn't* be! :(
2011-07-07 18835, 2011
reosarevok
Hmm
2011-07-07 18842, 2011
hrglgrmpf
are there really users that vote on the whole edit queue?
2011-07-07 18859, 2011
hrglgrmpf
must be a full-time job...
2011-07-07 18807, 2011
reosarevok
hrglgrmpf: heh
2011-07-07 18818, 2011
reosarevok
Make it a double-time job or something
2011-07-07 18846, 2011
hrglgrmpf
I would love if you could subscribe to more edit events... that would be so useful!
2011-07-07 18816, 2011
hrglgrmpf
like: "I want to vote on all edits that change both recording name and recording comment"
2011-07-07 18837, 2011
hrglgrmpf
or: "I want to vote on all artists add/edit events that have country Germany"
2011-07-07 18816, 2011
reosarevok
An option to subscribe to edit searches was supposed to be made at some point
2011-07-07 18822, 2011
reosarevok has no idea when that point will be though
2011-07-07 18855, 2011
hrglgrmpf
reosarevok: probably *after* the edit search system has been fully implemented :-)
2011-07-07 18800, 2011
reosarevok
Yeah, that's for sure
2011-07-07 18812, 2011
Mineo
you can just bookmark the search
2011-07-07 18822, 2011
reosarevok
Mineo: not the same, but still kinda ok
2011-07-07 18828, 2011
reosarevok
Once we can *make* it :
2011-07-07 18829, 2011
reosarevok
*:)
2011-07-07 18843, 2011
hrglgrmpf
hmm, I'm soon finished with my CS master studies, how much money does MB have left :-)?
2011-07-07 18820, 2011
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ianmcorvidae
haha
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nikki
warp: I dunno about what reosarevok wants, but I've never used that account because the edits it enters aren't auto-edits. it's easier to just enter edits under my usual account or not bother at all
Skud: note that its not possible to submit edits via the WS right now.
2011-07-07 18852, 2011
hawke_
I think the only thing that picard submits are PUIDs though
2011-07-07 18817, 2011
ruaok nods at hangy
2011-07-07 18821, 2011
ruaok
feh. hawke_
2011-07-07 18851, 2011
hawke_
:-D
2011-07-07 18811, 2011
hawke_
Though that does make me curious about the disc ID submission bit.
2011-07-07 18822, 2011
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ruaok
well, picard can submit cd stubs too.
2011-07-07 18849, 2011
hawke_
Right, but is the disc ID submission process part of web services, or is it documented somewhere?
2011-07-07 18825, 2011
Skud
so wait. i'm going back to what we were talking about yesterday, with distributing picard on the fronts of magazines in areas where you don't have much data.
2011-07-07 18830, 2011
Skud
err geographical areas.
2011-07-07 18826, 2011
Skud
so let's say someone with a huge collection of mp3s of tibetan throat-singing or north african electronica or whatever
2011-07-07 18830, 2011
Skud
err
2011-07-07 18846, 2011
Skud
let's say they throw it all at picard, and picard looks at it and says... "i have no idea what any of this is"
2011-07-07 18842, 2011
Skud
does picard then send information back to MB so taht it goes into the MB database?
