#musicbrainz

ocharles: Did you remove ISRC 0000000000?

no

Because I see http://musicbrainz.org/isrc/000000000000 says “not associated”

probably because it's not valid, so you can't view it

heh

the isrcs on http://musicbrainz.org/release/caa9d181-6920-4c... were insane.

they added isrcs for every track on that 98 track release :(

hawke_: I wouldn't bother manually removing them, I'll do that now

or actually, when we release the validation

ocharles: k

If anyone feels like helping me fix these works, http://musicbrainz.org/user/reosarevok/edits/open needs some lovin

sounds like a nightmare to me

keeping all that stuff straight

reosarevok: I really like them as well.

derwin: you mean the classical works? Not at all

In fact, it's much easier

Because there's normally something to compare them with

And the guys are dead

http://musicbrainz.org/work/ebb107a6-6e6f-3bbc-... - only merged that one because one of the japanese pop artists I follow performed it on piano ;)

So once it's done, it is done

This guy started with like 5 or 6 works

reosarevok I love http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14824649

I'm going to go with "female"

wendy carlos = "female"

walter/wendy = "other"

derwin: Why “other”?

because you can't put "male" or "female" for the artist

unless you seperate "Wendy" as a perforance name

derwin: you can also leave it empty

sure, but I'd think that if "other" has any meaning, that'd be it?

derwin: I would use it for “what the artist currently identifies as”

hawke_: that invites edit wars

hawke_ : so if an artist kept switching, you'd.. ?

somebody will try to change it male eventually

Speaking of Wendy Carlos: http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14840548

I don't really know why is the Other option there

luks: People who identify as neither?

see also : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergender

can you tell I live in the SF bay area?

I think that leaving it empty is better than having a questionable "Other" option

leaving it empty signifies there is something missing, some data that's yet to be filled in

like an empty barcode/cat no., etc

having "other" means "yes, we know this person's gender, and it's neither"

+1

identifications really don't change all that often; going with "how the artist identifies" is actually pretty reasonable in practice

ianmcorvidae: As with everything, there’s probably an exception.

there are always edge cases; they aren't really that important :P

If nothing else, an artist who claims to change sexual identity regularly just to be a dick (so to speak, heh)

lol

just set that to Other, if it's every other week or something

has the problem of inviting controversy re: gender, but I don't think there's a way to deal with that situation that _doesn't_ invite edit wars

leaving it empty says "fill this in!" and then people will get annoyed if it's the wrong thing; either gender, for someone who's switching often, will clearly get questioned, etc.

"What the artist identifies with" seems to me the less controversial option

yeah

reosarevok : what if the artist identifies as "intergender" ?

I'd use "it's complicated" rather than "other" then

then "Other"

derwin: that's not male nor female, so it's other :p

luks!

"it's complicated" heheeh

too Facebook :P

Oh, damn

Either it is 25: IV or 22: III

They could at least get the data right :(

male or female?

<- could do this for.. another 2 minutes or so, then I'm out

Never heard of those artists; no idea

P-Orridge has two daughters, Caresse and Genesse, with former wife Paula P-Orridge (born Alaura O'Dell). After marrying Lady Jaye Breyer P-Orridge in 1993, they began a project to become Breyer P-Orridge, a single pandrogynous entity

derwin: Sounds like someone who’s a jackass for worrying too much about it. :-)

hawke.. he is quite a famous figure in the history of industrial music, and is good fun.

but sure.

" Genesis and his second wife Lady Jaye, née Jacqueline Breyer, relocated to Brooklyn.[12] There, they began an ongoing experiment in body modification aimed at creating one pandrogynous being named Breyer P-Orridge.[13] They received breast implants and adopted gender neutral and alternating pronouns. "

Yup.

oh, part of Throbbing Gristle

okay

yeah, one of the founders, also historically involved in the "acid house" scene etc.

AWESOME

if i have proper lossless rip of cd can i add PUIDs

So

The back cover just says "Fantasy & Minuet"

Very helpful, RCA Victor

dubwai: I don't think people even care too much if their rips are proper and lossless before submitting them

So I can't see why not

dubwai: You don’t need lossless, PUIDs are equally useful and relevant for lossy rips.

dubwai: but: “yes”

but why in Picard button is inactive :-)

dubwai: Either because the PUIDs are already there (the ones you found aren’t new)

or because it wasn‘t able to get a PUID for the track

no how i can upload PUIDs to musicbrain release that doen't have it in picars "Submit PUIDs" always inactive http://i.imgur.com/qaQpL.jpg

(the encoding doesn't really make a difference anyway, I tested once with a file I ripped, I had to encode it as something stupid like 16kbps mp3 before it would generate different puids)

dubwai: I understand what you’re saying. The button is inactive for one of the two reasons I described above.

dubwai PUID is dead, I think?

Not yet

But maybe the PUID-making service is down again…

dubwai: It only becomes active if a new PUID/track association could be made, and if there are PUIDs available for your local files.

dubwai: if the song hasn't already been scanned into the puid database with another (proprietary) tool, picard won't be able to look up the puid.

so picard can't genrete it only submit?

it can only generate fingerprints (which can be used to look up PUIDs), not PUIDs

you have to use genpuid or the musicip mixer to analyze the files and wait for them to assign a PUID (who knows how long that takes nowadays)

PUIDs are basically just a record number in MusicIP’s database, not something that can be generated elsewhere

dubwai: Yes?

"MusicDNS/PUID is now officially end of life and should not be used anymore in new development."

dubwai: Yes.

Yeah

It was sold

Ponies and sunshine and myspace and glitter!!

To Gracenote

Which is basically the same as killing it

Well, it wasn’t exactly perfect before it was sold, either, was it?

note that "Submit PUIDs" will only become active after you "Scan" the files, it find the PUIDs, but not matches in the MB database and then you match it to a release

it won't activate without scanning the files first

luks: Doesn’t it autoscan new files by default anyway?

no

there is an option for that, but it's not enabled by default

ah, I thought that option was on by default — I think I must just always turn it on. :-)

hawke_: when you go on classical rampages, remember to also add links to IMSLP!

:)

Even though I can't play any instrument anyway and I can't use the scores

reosarevok: WTF is IMSLP? :-p

Does nobody know the rels we have?

Ah, that.

I didn’t know we had a relation to IMSLP pages, no.

Well

But then I don’t really like having a bunch of specialized URL-relations

We have "contains the score for"

(but IMSLP is the only whitelisted page at the moment)

bitmap: Did you see the post regarding sleeps in Picard on mb-devel?

hawke_: I did, but I didn't look at it yet

it seems like adding files in Picard should be faster than it is currently, so maybe that's one of the issues

wow

Recordings should really be moved to performers

But it's going to be an *eternal* job