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      • ocharles
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      • ocharles
        I thought "i" was a letter on its own, not an accented form of "ı"
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      • ocharles
        Neither Text::Unaccent or Text::Transliterator::Unaccent unaccent it in the way requested
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      • jacobbrett1
        It seems to be, as according to: http://live.gnome.org/Gucharmap
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      • jacobbrett1
        • U+0069 LATIN SMALL LETTER I
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      • ocharles
        I don't quite follow, for which letter is that output?
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      • jacobbrett1
        That's the additonal notes for U+0131 LATIN SMALL LETTER DOTLESS I
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      • ocharles
        hum
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      • ocharles
        Should adding a disc id for a medium immediately set track times, if they are all undefined?
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      • nikki
        yes!
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      • nikki
        modbot will only do it later otherwise
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      • nikki
        (but in the meantime people just open more pointless edits)
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      • ocharles
        yea
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      • luks
        ocharles: that's a very old ticket and requires a patched version of libunac
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      • luks
        the search server and the direct search both convert the characters
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      • ocharles
        ah, ok
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      • luks
        the patch is in the old ticket in trac
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      • ocharles
        I did consider just offloading the work to db
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      • ocharles
        SELECT musicbrainz_unaccent(?)
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      • nikki
        ocharles: I'm not very good at explaining, but what I meant in the original trac ticket was that when a language has ı it has I as the capital letter, and there's a separate letter i with İ as the capital letter... and you can imagine how messed up the dot/no dot gets when normally i corresponds to I... so it needs fixing a lot
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      • luks
        I'd consider taking over Text::Unaccent
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      • ocharles
        I wonder if I can request co-maint on that
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      • ocharles
        seeing as it hasn't been updated in years
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      • luks
        we've talked to the guy years ago, he said he will commit the patch to CVS and nothing happened
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      • ocharles
        I can probably request co-maint as it's abandoned then
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      • nikki
        and normally adding/removing an accent is an auto-edit, like doing o -> ö in swedish, so I don't see why i İ ı I should be any different
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      • ocharles
        yea
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      • ocharles
        nikki: I just wanted to make sure they count as the same letter
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      • ocharles
        (when unaccented)
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      • luks
        but yea, using the database would be the simplest solution for now
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      • cparker
        Would appreciate some votes on these two edits if/when someone gets the chance: http://musicbrainz.org/recording/ce352d20-65d5-4c…
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      • ocharles
        http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-2429 I assume it would be a good idea to show Last.FM links on the sidebar?
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      • cparker
        How is one supposed to specify an "arranged by" relationship?
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      • cparker
        Is there any consideration for a "series" relationship? For example, the "NOW That's What I Call Music" series?
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      • nikki
        cparker: it's been proposed before, but got stuck because people couldn't decide how it should be implemented
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      • nikki
        ocharles: who knows, I asked once before how we should decide what goes in the sidebar but nobody said anything
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      • ocharles
        nikki: I'm starting to think just all links
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      • nikki
        there's still some I don't think belong there
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      • nikki
        and when I tried it, it was a mess
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      • ocharles
        hm, I see
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      • wpl
        Is there a tutorial on how to install just the database on a local server?
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      • wpl
        The wiki just refers to the VirtualMachine, which is not what I need.
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      • nikki
        if you only want the database, mbslave is probably a better idea
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      • nikki looks for the link
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      • ianmcorvidae
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      • nikki
        show off :P
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      • ianmcorvidae was just going to paste the link :P
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      • ianmcorvidae
        also
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      • ianmcorvidae
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      • wpl
        thx guys :)
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      • cjk32
        What't the best way to add a new multi-medium release with discids?
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      • reosarevok
        cjk32: I think either adding the release and then attaching the IDs or adding each disc and merging them
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      • reosarevok
        But maybe it has been made simpler…
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      • hawke_
        Pretty sure that’s right…
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      • cjk32
        Creating the release then adding discids seemd better than created five releases and merging - doesn't depend on edits being approved before its correct in the database.
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      • reosarevok would agree
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      • reosarevok
        The recordings probably won't get the right track lengths yet
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      • reosarevok
        But they will once a system for them to be taken from tracks is developed
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      • reosarevok
        (and that's in the plans)
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      • reosarevok
        So…
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      • cjk32
        I'm not sure that's working correctly anyway. Adding a single disc release didn't provide track-lengths / recording lengths from the toc.
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      • cjk32
        Actually, it looks like I can start adding a release based upon one discid, then add new media to it.
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      • cjk32
        Gah, also looks like ISRCs aren't anywhere near as unique as one might hope!
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      • cjk32
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      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah, ISRCs and ISWCs both
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      • ianmcorvidae
        although there's also issues dealing with actually reading ISRCs
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      • ianmcorvidae
        different readers have different, ah, challenges
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      • cjk32
        Given that they're used for keeping track of royalties, one might have hoped they'd be a bit better coordinated.
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      • reosarevok
        cjk32: ISWCs seem to be relatively fine
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      • reosarevok
        (at least in Spain…)
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      • ianmcorvidae
        reosarevok: there's the request for "let works have more than one ISWC" which I think speaks to the issues with ISWCs as well :)
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      • reosarevok
        ianmcorvidae: I'm not saying there are none
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      • cjk32
        :)
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      • ianmcorvidae
        they're better than ISRCs, though, yeah
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      • reosarevok
        I've seen one duplicated work :)
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      • reosarevok
        But yeah, I've seen over 1k non-dupe ones
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      • reosarevok
        So I would imagine they're kinda better
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      • cjk32
        Well, my ISRCs are consistent over two different brands of drive, I think they're sound at least.
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      • cjk32
        Are there any large databases of ISRCs from which data has been imported?
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      • reosarevok
        cjk32: there is the French one, murdos was importing from it
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      • cjk32
        I'm a little suspicious of http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14674721
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      • reosarevok
        But I don't know if manually or with any bot
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      • ianmcorvidae
        cjk32: yeah, sbontrager's ISRC edits are known
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      • ianmcorvidae
        I don't know why the thing removing those hasn't been deployed yet
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      • cjk32
        Ah, okay. Mind if I ask what happened?
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      • ianmcorvidae
        just a poorly-written script, as far as I know
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      • reosarevok
        Faulty submitting script
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      • ianmcorvidae
        http://codereview.musicbrainz.org/r/1381/ <-- dunno why this hasn't shipped
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      • bitmap
        from what he said, due to an evil global variable that kept references to past ISRCs :)
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      • ianmcorvidae
        needs more functional programming
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      • ianmcorvidae
        ;)
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      • cjk32
        Ah, hence the requirement for a unique user agent, I guess
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      • cjk32
        Advocating lisp?
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      • ianmcorvidae
        nah, haskell's better if you really want to go functional XD
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      • ianmcorvidae
        I like lisp plenty, but it's not pure-functional
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      • ianmcorvidae
        it just supports a functional style well
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      • luks
        that doesn't save you from accumulating "global" state :)
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      • ocharles
        HASKELL
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      • LeoD_
        HASKELL!!
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      • cparker
        I have an odd scenario... there's a single track/recording that's credited to a person "and Family". Is it appropriate to create a new artist for this single collaboration? Or should the recording be attributed to just the person, with the track's artist listed with the "and Family" tacked on the end?
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      • CatCat
        LEARN OYOU A BOOKBRAINZ
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      • cparker
        I already have performance relationships added to the recording for each of the members of this person's family, as they're listed in the liner notes. Should these relationships, plus the "and Family" in only the track listing, suffice? It seems kind of silly to create a new artist just for this one-time collaboration on a single song.