"$10,000 held in escrow for MusicBrainz, plus contractual commitment to supply hardware resources should MusicIP exit the fingerprinting business. This is designed to allow us to continue the service should they decide to stop providing the service."
2011-08-02 21443, 2011
intgr
So is this still in effect?
2011-08-02 21416, 2011
luks
yes
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luks
technically
2011-08-02 21449, 2011
intgr
:/
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reosarevokphone
why just technically?
2011-08-02 21442, 2011
luks
because it's not sure what will really happen
2011-08-02 21401, 2011
hrglgrmpf
maybe because we don't have lawyers...
2011-08-02 21407, 2011
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nikki
oh, hi hrglgrmpf
2011-08-02 21458, 2011
hrglgrmpf
nikki: hi :-)
2011-08-02 21420, 2011
nikki owes you some edit notes :/
2011-08-02 21442, 2011
hrglgrmpf
really? what exactly?
2011-08-02 21410, 2011
nikki
good question :P probably recording comments
2011-08-02 21434, 2011
hrglgrmpf
ah yes, I will change them once they are applied
2011-08-02 21400, 2011
hrglgrmpf
if something is unfinished, I put it in my "TODO" collection, so I won't forget it :-)
2011-08-02 21419, 2011
nikki
I mark the emails as unread even though I've read them, but I'm usually slow at replying to emails or edit notes
2011-08-02 21430, 2011
nikki doesn't really know why
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hrglgrmpf
nikki: what do you think about server-side URL cleanup?
2011-08-02 21411, 2011
hrglgrmpf
since you are very active cleaning them up, you must have a profound opinion of it...
2011-08-02 21445, 2011
nikki
hmm... I'm actually more curious about why some urls don't get cleaned up even though the user has js on
2011-08-02 21417, 2011
hrglgrmpf
I have to use ctrl-v (not the mouse), otherwise the JS isn't triggered
2011-08-02 21430, 2011
nikki
I don't really have much of an opinion about doing it server side though, for the most part it's things that aren't even being done in js
2011-08-02 21441, 2011
nikki
or fixing things that are hard to do programmatically, like fixing or removing wikipedia's damned 404s
2011-08-02 21450, 2011
hrglgrmpf
I'm talking about the server-side validation ticket... I always thought the MB approach is: better the user enters a malformed URL, than nothing, it can be cleaned up later
2011-08-02 21416, 2011
nikki nods
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hrglgrmpf
that would mean the ticket should be closed as invalid probably...
2011-08-02 21449, 2011
hrglgrmpf
but server-side cleanup for e.g. ASINs, allmusic etc. would be very simple and effective
2011-08-02 21446, 2011
nikki
I have to wonder if there are that many urls which slip through that we should spend time adding it in the server too though
2011-08-02 21450, 2011
nikki
btw, if you know how to reproduce it not working with the mouse, please do report it
2011-08-02 21450, 2011
ianmcorvidae
possibly we should just run the JS callback thing on more things
2011-08-02 21453, 2011
hrglgrmpf
probably not...
2011-08-02 21456, 2011
nikki
I guess we're not checking for everything
2011-08-02 21458, 2011
ianmcorvidae
it currently runs on change and keyup
2011-08-02 21419, 2011
hrglgrmpf
ianmcorvidae: yes
2011-08-02 21422, 2011
ianmcorvidae
well, or, after we set the value we should do .blur() or something, I forget how that works
2011-08-02 21439, 2011
nikki
.blur()?
2011-08-02 21455, 2011
ianmcorvidae
blur is triggered when something loses focus
2011-08-02 21418, 2011
ianmcorvidae
and I know that for me the value of the field doesn't actually change until I click into the edit note field
2011-08-02 21421, 2011
ianmcorvidae
i.e. when a blur event is fired :)
2011-08-02 21444, 2011
ianmcorvidae
so possibly triggering a blur event would make it work more correctly
2011-08-02 21445, 2011
nikki
ah, so it doesn't make it blur it
2011-08-02 21454, 2011
ianmcorvidae
yeah
2011-08-02 21403, 2011
ianmcorvidae
it does 'self.urlControl.val(clean)'
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hrglgrmpf
nikki: I think I was wrong... if I paste with the mouse, the link doesn't get corrected, but clicking "Enter edit" (or return) afterwards does... so I don't have a explanation...
2011-08-02 21414, 2011
ianmcorvidae
something like self.urlControl.val(clean).blur(); might fix it
2011-08-02 21433, 2011
ianmcorvidae
hrglgrmpf: if you paste in and then click into the edit note field, what happens?
2011-08-02 21444, 2011
nikki would go insane if it kept unfocusing the field. the release editor does that to her in the basic editor and she wants to throw things at the screen when it happens
2011-08-02 21449, 2011
hrglgrmpf
ianmcorvidae: nothing
2011-08-02 21457, 2011
hrglgrmpf
ianmcorvidae: no correction
2011-08-02 21403, 2011
ianmcorvidae
oh, it doesn't unfocus it, it just triggers the event that unfocusing would trigger
2011-08-02 21409, 2011
ianmcorvidae
if that makes sense
2011-08-02 21415, 2011
nikki
yeah, just saying :)
2011-08-02 21417, 2011
ianmcorvidae
it triggers a blur event without you actually having to unfocus it
2011-08-02 21432, 2011
nikki prods kepstin
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hrglgrmpf
ianmcorvidae: argh, sorry, I misread: clicking in the "Edit note" field cleans up the URL, but clicking in the URL field doesn't
2011-08-02 21445, 2011
ianmcorvidae
okay, cool
2011-08-02 21454, 2011
ianmcorvidae
I think triggering a blur may fix hrglgrmpf's problem too then
2011-08-02 21400, 2011
nikki
but it cleans it up when you press enter/return?
2011-08-02 21435, 2011
ianmcorvidae
hitting enter selects the "enter edit" button, deselecting the url field, triggering a blur event :)
2011-08-02 21427, 2011
nikki
something's not working somewhere at some point though
2011-08-02 21459, 2011
nikki
and I seem to have seen more urls needing cleaning up since ngs came out
2011-08-02 21409, 2011
ianmcorvidae
hm
2011-08-02 21412, 2011
nikki
and kepstin managed to enter an amazon url twice that didn't get cleaned up
2011-08-02 21418, 2011
nikki
(and when he asked, he said he has js on)
2011-08-02 21407, 2011
ianmcorvidae
hm
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ianmcorvidae
I'm having trouble figuring out what exactly happens when http:// isn't included
2011-08-02 21433, 2011
ianmcorvidae
it looks like maybe it doesn't run cleanup when that's not there?
2011-08-02 21400, 2011
nikki
I thought it wouldn't accept it without that
2011-08-02 21403, 2011
nikki
at least on the live server
2011-08-02 21427, 2011
ianmcorvidae
well, yeah
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ianmcorvidae
so the urlChanged trigger checks, first: url.match(/^\w+\./)
2011-08-02 21416, 2011
ianmcorvidae
if that hits (i.e. there's no http, although it's a convoluted way of saying it)
2011-08-02 21429, 2011
ianmcorvidae
then it adds http:// to the front of the url in the value and returns
2011-08-02 21442, 2011
nikki
that was added recently though
2011-08-02 21443, 2011
ianmcorvidae
if that _doesn't_ match then it goes on and uses the cleaned value, if applicable
2011-08-02 21436, 2011
nikki wonders if hrglgrmpf saw what she said
2011-08-02 21437, 2011
ianmcorvidae
so what I'm not sure is if the self.urlControl.val('http://' + url) would trigger a change event, and thus cause urlChanged to get run a second time
2011-08-02 21405, 2011
nikki
I tried on test and it added the http:// immediately, then fixed the url when I submitted it
2011-08-02 21418, 2011
nikki
but that doesn't really explain why it happened before that was added
2011-08-02 21423, 2011
ianmcorvidae
yeah
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ianmcorvidae
perhaps compile a list of un-corrected URLs and we can see if there's a pattern there?
