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and peak recording level is like 6db anyway

and that's the bassdrum

most of the track is at like -9 or whatever

heh

most pop music nowadays gets a replaygain adjustment of around -9 to -12db :/

yeah I know. and has no dynamic range

the source material for that remix was already pretty.. um.. jacked up..

I tried to make it sound.. not-ear-rape :)

kepstin-laptop, ever hear of the 'anime toonz' series?

derwin: it's missing an MBID ;)

American-made (I believe) covers of famous anime theme songs and other notables?

hah! it's true, I haven't added it to musicbrainz

VxJasonxV: heard of them, but I'm not familiar with them.

I doubt odaxelnagia is even in there, but I guess who knows :)

They're all streamable on Last.fm, I've seen them on Spotify too.

Does Spotify have regional music protection? Meaning do I have access to the full library they launched in Europe with?

derwin: that's a bit of an... odd song :)

heh, I ams what I ams..

the original is more core and less lol

Any of you guys played with turntable.fm at all?

I have

I'm apparently the first person to scrobble that to last.fm.

I like turtnable.fm idea, but hate facebook

only listening, never as the source.

kepstin : thanks! :)

you're nobody until somebody scrobbles you

of course odaxelnagia gets the scrobble, not me

because last.fm doesn't cover remix credit. full circle in the convo.

Hmm. I think there's at least one case where I have two releases from the same release group, and I'd prefer to scrobble them separately ;)

derwin: there’s a clone, rolling.fm

http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/8a10f620-b... is a rather annoying pair of singles

VxJasonxV: What do you think of it?

there's the "あか" (red) and "あお" (blue) versions, and the only difference is the cover art and the second track.

derwin: Heh, unfortunately that uses fb too.

hmm. I dunno, it might make sense to split those two singles into separate release groups... maybe :/

I think it would.

why?

it's not uncommon for that to happen, and it's ridiculously common for uk singles

Well, most of my opinion on singles is based on real singles (2 tracks), so maybe I’m way off. But I wouldn’t put two singles in the same RG just because they have one track in common.

hawke_: those really only have two tracks; it's the same a-side and an alternate b-side, plus some bonus material.

(you don't count karaoke tracks ;)

kepstin-laptop: I’d definitely make those different RGs then.

I think as long as the A-side is the same, it's the same release group. Almost every single I've dealt with has had different B-sides in different countries.

these were released with the specific intent of making people buy the same single twice to get both b-sides, and make more money.

kepstin-laptop: isn't that usually the case? :P

And, as nikki said, the UK tends to release multiple singles (usually a CD1 and CD2, though not a two-disc set) with the same A-side and different B-sides. That would be a lot of release group noise, I think.

like version A + dvd A, version B + dvd B, version C + photobook, version D = normal edition for cheap sods

amusingly, the two special-edition releases (5-digit catalog numbers) included a DVD with a music video of the same song, but the music videos were slightly different as well.

Leftmost: I think singles implicitly have a lot of RG noise, given the low track-to-release ratio

It's true, but that to me sounds like an argument for not having more.

huh. I should actually check the album art for those again

I'm not sure if the "red/blue version" text was actually part of the release title on the release itself

they used it on the discography page for the artist/label to tell them apart

so it might fit better as a comment.

It may also make a difference how it’s actually named.

Older singles tend to have no names, just an A side and a B side

the name of this is just the name of the a side, and a "red/blue version" note.

While newer ones (post-1980 or so) are typically named after a prominent track

version text was /not/ printed on the releases themselves

I'm moving it to a comment.

A lot of newer singles look like http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/56e43b96-2... and so for something that already has a large number of release groups, it'd be a little bit insane.

Leftmost: Yeah, agreed.

Older ones look like http://musicbrainz.org/artist/e2be7eac-60a0-4c4...

this is really gonna screw up my picard file naming rules

I now have two releases with the same artist, release name, and first track.

is the comment field available in picard yet?

I feel like it is

And I wouldn’t combine any of those, even if they happened to have some of the same A-side. (which that artist doesn’t but there are ones that do)

%_recordingcomment% or %recordingcomment%, not sure which

or maybe it changed again, but :P

ianmcorvidae: I want release comment, not recording.

oh

well, dunno about that

the recording is the same on both releases, recording comment doesn't help :)

there we go, http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/8a10f620-b... is now cleaned up.

now it no longer looks like it should be split ;)

I should go and add the DVD discs as well.

Leftmost: How’s this for singles “noise”: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/8d163003-0963-447...

So we just have to make sure we don't include artists post-1940. :)

why 1940?

Ah. :-D

I wish the recordings page would indicate how many releases a given recording appeared on

kepstin-laptop: there's %_releasecomment% too

bitmap: cool. I need to start using that.

otherwise I'm gonna be getting release collisions next time I retag my music :)

or maybe I should just include the cat. number in my filenames

%_recordingcomment% and %_releasecomment% are the only ones added, since artist comments would be impossible to use, and I'm not sure how useful RG comments would be

ooh, that's an idea

bitmap: picard can't automatically detect dups, tho, can it?

no :/

that's why it'd be cooler if picard had some concept of a library, so it knew what you already have and hence what you want to disambiguate :P

I don't have that many albums with the same artist *and* title, so I just disambiguate them manually

honestly, I wouldn't mind going with {artistmbid}/{releasembid}/{recordingmbid}, except that I still browse the files manually ocassionally :)

i think works (and recordings?) should have a "date".. would like to capture the date or date range that say, beethoven composed the ninth sympony

CatCat: that can already be captured using the 'date' on the composed ar in the work.

start/end dates.

Possibly silly question: How do I force the creation of a new release group in the release editor, even when there are existing release groups of the desired name?

ars shouldnt have data ranges imho

date*

cjk32: unless there's a bug, you can do it by typing in something, then simply selecting nothing from the dropdown

kepstin-laptop: I suspect there’s a bug.

(clicking outside)

only "artist was member of group" and "x was married ot y" tpe

the other could have a date. but not a date range

CatCat: I have a track which was composed by X in april, then had lyrics written by Y in may. How do you handle that?

^^^^

CatCat: Or a work which took 4 years to compose…

Possibly a bug then, I'm pretty sure I selected nothing the first time I was on the first tab, but the final tab showed it as being added to an existing release group.

people so very often missuse it thoguh

cjk32: yeah, there are bugs like that :)

Having returned to the first tab, I've definitely selected an existing release group, and certainly can't find a way to unselect

cjk32: you can always manually add the release group before using the release editor.

i stil think recordings sould have a ate. and compositinos (worsk)

sure they could be mined for mthe ars

cjk32: in fact, you can manually add a release group in a separate browser tab, then link it in your still-open release editor

Ah yes, there's a direct search option, so I don't need to wait for reindexing. Will do just that.

cjk32: or use a bogus name and rename it later... i'll auto aprove it for you

(the rename)

CatCat: I don't think a date on the recording/work is useful, unless it's simply automatically derived from the other ARs, and used for presentation only.

CatCat: Thanks for the offer, though I'd already added a new group by the time I saw it.

bah, I got one of these from work: http://sofia.nmsu.edu/~breakingaway/Lessons/MFC... and I can't stop playing with it :(

kepstin-laptop: well you and i think differently, i feel the same about ar-date things

YAY!

The cat is back home! :D :D :D

it didn't wander to spain?

Being more than a week missing, she could

ARGH SIGMUND

hi! I need a couple of votes until the edit expires (or an explanation why I am wrong): http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14974116