I know I'm late to the conversation, but... what is this list of works /for/? If it's for making me identify which of these categories something I edit is in, I will go completely barking. (To the extent that I do any editing these days... there's a fantastic stack of "do metadata" CDs towering over my desk)
2012-01-01 00156, 2012
CatCat
you know that both , greenland, iceland, færøeyene AND shetland used to bel ong to norway?
2012-01-01 00109, 2012
reosarevok
It's for trying to somehow document the list of work types/forms we already have ( http://musicbrainz.org/work/create ) but with no documentation at all
2012-01-01 00116, 2012
CatCat
denmakr kept a whole lot and then iceland whent self.. er thingy
2012-01-01 00120, 2012
CatCat
grenland is workign no it
2012-01-01 00135, 2012
CatCat
gomand those g's and n's
2012-01-01 00147, 2012
CatCat
god damn those g's and n's
2012-01-01 00109, 2012
CatCat
anyway i have iskrem
2012-01-01 00111, 2012
CatCat
<33
2012-01-01 00142, 2012
Kryztof
As well as "not classical" (what you currently have by "none") you might want a "none of the above" so that an editor can feel OK about saying "I have thought about this and a Bach prelude and fugue is definitely none of these categories"
2012-01-01 00129, 2012
Kryztof
documenting current practice is of course completely different from codifying future practice
2012-01-01 00124, 2012
Kryztof
the danger is that current ad-hoc practice is used to strait-jacket future practice. Having a "none of the above" at least provides an escape route
2012-01-01 00103, 2012
reosarevok would prefer to leave "unset" as none of the above while codifying "not classical" somehow
2012-01-01 00112, 2012
rswarbrick
Kryztof: I don't think that's a good idea. How do you do the migration if someone adds a new type?
2012-01-01 00113, 2012
reosarevok
Although that's admittedly harder maybe
2012-01-01 00144, 2012
Kryztof
"unset" means "no-one has looked at this". "none of the above" means "I thought about it on this date and none of the categories fit"
2012-01-01 00129, 2012
reosarevok
I usually support such a distinction, but I'm not sure how useful it is here
2012-01-01 00131, 2012
Kryztof
if someone adds a new type, all the "none of the above" set before that date can be inspected to see if they match the new category; all the "none of the above" set after that date can be left as-is
2012-01-01 00143, 2012
reosarevok
Although yeah, I guess "other" wouldn't necessarily hurt
2012-01-01 00114, 2012
brianfreud
I think other is needed
2012-01-01 00119, 2012
brianfreud
We don't have "spoken word piece" or something like it, and nothing else now fits. So I had to leave it empty, where it looks unset, rather than setting something suboptimal (ie other) until better can be set.
2012-01-01 00153, 2012
rswarbrick
brianfreud: My point is that if I set a work to be "other" and someone adds a new category, then the data is *wrong* not just uninformative. "Checking all others" won't work when there are 10000 of them...
2012-01-01 00152, 2012
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reosarevok
Meh, 500 / 502 :(
2012-01-01 00140, 2012
jesus2099
HAPPY NEW YEAY MB FOLKS !
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v6lur
CatCat: "denmakr" looks like some cool old norse word :P
2012-01-01 00113, 2012
v6lur
also, why didn't anyone return good wishes to jesus? :P
2012-01-01 00120, 2012
v6lur
i mean... there was like whole two seconds for it
2012-01-01 00109, 2012
CatCat
yea that's it! I'm not misspelling! I'm talking old norse!
2012-01-01 00110, 2012
CatCat
:D
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kovacsur
reosarevok (or anyone else who uses my "relate works to artists" userscript), can you look at http://mbuserscript.tempopage.com/008/ and tell me if the modified UI is an improvement over the current one?
Heh, I'm not sure. "Writer" seems to me like an easy way out, if someone is too lazy to look up the actual credits
2012-01-01 00142, 2012
kovacsur
I understand that there are genuine cases when it's needed
2012-01-01 00102, 2012
kovacsur
but I don't think adding it to a batch relationship creator script is a good idea
2012-01-01 00110, 2012
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nikki
I don't use it much 'cause japanese credits are usually more detailed than that, but the western music I've seen tends to suck
2012-01-01 00112, 2012
kepstin
yeah, few western credits i've seen - or stuff listed in western works databases - is more accurate than 'writer' :/
2012-01-01 00116, 2012
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reosarevok
Spanish works DB lists only writers
2012-01-01 00136, 2012
reosarevok
Doesn't really specify composer/lyricist/arranger
2012-01-01 00142, 2012
reosarevok
And pop vinyl usually gives that info as Title (Writer1/Writer2/etc)
2012-01-01 00118, 2012
kovacsur
Lame. :|
2012-01-01 00122, 2012
reosarevok
There's also the fact that many electronic music specifically gets credited as "written by" because it is felt that "composed by" doesn't really apply
2012-01-01 00131, 2012
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reosarevok is not sure whether he agrees, but he has seen it several times
2012-01-01 00109, 2012
kovacsur
I have two issues with adding "writer", one of them being I don't want to encourage people to check "writer" when the actual credits should be both composer and lyricist (or only composer in the case of electronic music), and the other being... it would mean yet another damn checkbox, so the 2x3 setup wouldn't cut it anymore >_<
2012-01-01 00131, 2012
reosarevok would still keep composer and lyricist by default and only show all the rest when requested
2012-01-01 00150, 2012
reosarevok
(that also annoys people randomly choosing writer, because, it's slightly harder)
2012-01-01 00157, 2012
kovacsur
True
2012-01-01 00109, 2012
reosarevok
I'd also argue that if the record says writer, there's nothing wrong with entering that
2012-01-01 00123, 2012
reosarevok
If someone with better sources and more time can improve it later, perfect - if not, still true
2012-01-01 00133, 2012
kovacsur
Fine, I think I'll just make the "advanced" stuff hidden by default
2012-01-01 00146, 2012
kovacsur
Thanks for your help. :)
2012-01-01 00127, 2012
reosarevok
"The Steam servers are currently too busy blah blah"
2012-01-01 00129, 2012
reosarevok
Meh
2012-01-01 00134, 2012
reosarevok
People, stop buying games
2012-01-01 00149, 2012
reosarevok
(until I can start downloading my copy of Orcs Must Die! at least :( )
2012-01-01 00110, 2012
derwin
this just in
2012-01-01 00112, 2012
derwin
musicbrainz editor supports piracy
2012-01-01 00157, 2012
derwin
"stop buying games"
2012-01-01 00152, 2012
SultS_
what? no mass effect on encore deals? that's not cool
2012-01-01 00156, 2012
reosarevok
derwin: this just in, "Spanish person pays for games" is better :p
2012-01-01 00157, 2012
derwin
my music was recently pirated on arussian rapidshare forum
2012-01-01 00108, 2012
reosarevok
(I suspect it's less common)
2012-01-01 00118, 2012
derwin
I got 1/10th of my soundcloud plays
2012-01-01 00126, 2012
derwin
as a result of the pirates embedding my soubndcloud link
2012-01-01 00136, 2012
derwin
(and I don't know how they got those links? which was extra weird)
2012-01-01 00100, 2012
reosarevok
The soundcloud links?
2012-01-01 00103, 2012
reosarevok
Were they private?
2012-01-01 00104, 2012
derwin
yeah
2012-01-01 00113, 2012
derwin
like, the official release of it, I don't think includes them
2012-01-01 00119, 2012
derwin
and they did an embed link
2012-01-01 00129, 2012
derwin
so a lot of the plays were logged out etc
2012-01-01 00109, 2012
derwin
most of the plays are from "russian federation" according to soundcloud, lol
2012-01-01 00153, 2012
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PeepoAWAY
39483 tracks takes quite some time to acoustid :)
2012-01-01 00110, 2012
PeepoAWAY
How soon after submitting would picard used them? Does the 0.16 release even use them? What is the process they go through after submission? Is there a doc/wiki about it? (Loads of questions) :)
Can anyone comment on how I've split up performances of http://musicbrainz.org/work/c912e891-de3e-4864-93… ? Basically, Khachaturian released a suite from the ballet, which is probably what everyone performs. But since I didn't know, I purposefully made a "general purpose" work. Does this seem reasonable?
2012-01-01 00113, 2012
rswarbrick
(this is without getting into the problem that there are actually two significantly different versions of the ballet. Eugh)
