(I of course refer to North American bands, and their albums that release overseas with the same title.)
2012-01-08 00846, 2012
BrianFreud
actually, most Japanese releases I've ever bought for the bonus tracks, those tracks were available only on the Japanese release
2012-01-08 00800, 2012
VxJasonxV
*never* released anywhere else?!
2012-01-08 00804, 2012
BrianFreud
yep
2012-01-08 00809, 2012
VxJasonxV
buuuuuuh?!
2012-01-08 00821, 2012
VxJasonxV
I would love to see this, just because it is so different from my recollection.
2012-01-08 00845, 2012
BrianFreud
I've not bought *any* Japanese bonus track CDs in maybe 10 years, but I seem to recall NIN and Tori Amos both having some like that
2012-01-08 00818, 2012
BrianFreud
and there was a French Nirvana CD I imported only because it had a track avail only on the French version of the CD - but that's the only non-Japanese case I can think of
2012-01-08 00854, 2012
VxJasonxV
overseas in generally works
2012-01-08 00822, 2012
BrianFreud
this seems just another case of that to me
2012-01-08 00835, 2012
BrianFreud
just kinda oddball in that it's the first and last tracks, instead of the last 2 tracks
2012-01-08 00841, 2012
VxJasonxV
The Fragile [JP] seems to be identical
2012-01-08 00822, 2012
BrianFreud
anyhow, the votes are against me, and I'm willing to be convinced to cancel :D
2012-01-08 00829, 2012
VxJasonxV
:(
2012-01-08 00832, 2012
BrianFreud
all I am asking is, what is different about the audio?
2012-01-08 00851, 2012
VxJasonxV
the mix from track 1 -> 2, and 12 -> 13, or whatever the last two are.
2012-01-08 00800, 2012
BrianFreud
that's it?
2012-01-08 00808, 2012
BrianFreud
yeah, 12->13
2012-01-08 00810, 2012
VxJasonxV
so, the start of tracks 2 and the last track are distinct.
2012-01-08 00841, 2012
VxJasonxV
err, blah
2012-01-08 00842, 2012
BrianFreud
for a "continuous mix" CD, wouldn't that make all Japanese bonus track CDs a separate RG then, even if they did share the same title?
2012-01-08 00848, 2012
VxJasonxV
end of 1, start of 2, end of 12, start of 13
2012-01-08 00808, 2012
VxJasonxV
The distinction I'm drawing is 'new content' vs. 'old content' really.
2012-01-08 00852, 2012
BrianFreud
simplest case: both have same release title, and the release is continuous mix: 10 tracks in the US, 11 in JP: would that then make that 11 track JP one so distinct that it would need a different RF?
2012-01-08 00855, 2012
BrianFreud
*RG?
2012-01-08 00846, 2012
VxJasonxV
not enough detail :P
2012-01-08 00853, 2012
VxJasonxV
too high-level
2012-01-08 00858, 2012
VxJasonxV
(I know, I am a flippant pain in the ass)
2012-01-08 00838, 2012
BrianFreud
ok, the theoretical releases are both identical in all respects, except for that extra 11th track, and the minor changes to the 10th track that would make it mix into #11
2012-01-08 00849, 2012
VxJasonxV
but my argument is not (unique acoustid != same RG)
2012-01-08 00853, 2012
BrianFreud
Personally, that isn't different enough for me to say it's not the same RG.
2012-01-08 00856, 2012
VxJasonxV
I admit that I'm way conflicted at this point.
2012-01-08 00859, 2012
BrianFreud
I've seen different accoustids between file formats. Esp not knowing the source for that single fingerprint on the JP release, I'm not comfortable using it as a differentor.
2012-01-08 00805, 2012
BrianFreud
*differentiator
2012-01-08 00810, 2012
VxJasonxV
And I'm not using it as a differentiator :P
2012-01-08 00804, 2012
BrianFreud
I'm not saying we should mix the recordings, or even merge the mediums. I'm just saying that the JP deadmou5 looks to me like it's "yet another JP bonus track release", with the extra confusion of the tracks being 1 and 13, instead of 12 and 13, and there being no release title.
2012-01-08 00811, 2012
BrianFreud
here... I see you edit deadmou5 far more than I do :P
2012-01-08 00815, 2012
VxJasonxV
indeed
2012-01-08 00819, 2012
VxJasonxV
MAU5
2012-01-08 00822, 2012
VxJasonxV
AAAAAAAAAAAA
2012-01-08 00825, 2012
VxJasonxV
GET IT RIGHT ;_.
2012-01-08 00826, 2012
VxJasonxV
;_;
2012-01-08 00828, 2012
BrianFreud
haha
2012-01-08 00838, 2012
VxJasonxV
I've been so annoyed each time you write it wrong :P
2012-01-08 00800, 2012
BrianFreud
lol; he's one I listen to far more often that type... and crazy leet spellings like his drive me nuts :P
2012-01-08 00804, 2012
BrianFreud
Rather than we try to make some last minute decision, I'
I'll cancel the edit, and just ask that you think on it.
2012-01-08 00820, 2012
VxJasonxV
I've been thinking, a lot
2012-01-08 00823, 2012
VxJasonxV
also ^^^
2012-01-08 00838, 2012
BrianFreud
and when you decide it ought to happen, then you do the edit - you'll then be in a better place than I, maybe, to argue for it. :)
2012-01-08 00859, 2012
BrianFreud
sound fair?
2012-01-08 00802, 2012
VxJasonxV
no
2012-01-08 00807, 2012
VxJasonxV
because I just changed my vote
2012-01-08 00811, 2012
VxJasonxV
hence my ping to CatCat
2012-01-08 00813, 2012
BrianFreud
LOL
2012-01-08 00821, 2012
VxJasonxV
it's not distinct enough. I'm fine with that. irked, but I'll live.
2012-01-08 00855, 2012
BrianFreud
I do agree, though, it's rare enough to have pretty much the same release with different titles, let alone any other confusion.
2012-01-08 00858, 2012
VxJasonxV
"Infer track durations from associated recordings" neat
2012-01-08 00834, 2012
BrianFreud
I think I've only seen it before w/ Mingus, Coltrane, and a pair of Nirvana bootlegs ("Live Tits" and "More Live Tits" - both the same exact CD :P)
2012-01-08 00817, 2012
VxJasonxV
do those release titles correspond to Nirvana bootlegs?
2012-01-08 00807, 2012
VxJasonxV
also, how annoying, this import from bandcamp script is not picking up durations.
2012-01-08 00818, 2012
VxJasonxV
and I clicked through too fast to pay attention. Which also means I didn't guess case
2012-01-08 00821, 2012
VxJasonxV facepalms
2012-01-08 00837, 2012
VxJasonxV
lucky me, guess case doesn't do anything to these releases
2012-01-08 00836, 2012
BrianFreud
...and then you get the fun of going through 1x1 and fixing the case on recordings :(
2012-01-08 00839, 2012
BrianFreud
been there, done that
2012-01-08 00843, 2012
BrianFreud
I think that one's murdos'? Leave him a comment about durations - he's responsive, and he ought to be able pretty easily to clone the duration code from the Discogs script over
2012-01-08 00801, 2012
VxJasonxV
yeah, believe so. I might take a stab at it myself here in a few.
2012-01-08 00805, 2012
VxJasonxV
maybe. I'm pretty JS-terrible.
2012-01-08 00815, 2012
VxJasonxV
despite it sharing my initials, but whatever.
2012-01-08 00842, 2012
BrianFreud
but ty :)
2012-01-08 00847, 2012
VxJasonxV
have you been around when I've ranted and raved about having to fix release-level tracks and their recordings? I've done it a few times. soooooooooo frustrating
2012-01-08 00836, 2012
BrianFreud
I keep being tempted to write a "sync" script, to sync times/titles/artists from releases to/from recordings (good for everything), and from recordings to/from works (good for non CD/vinyl bootlegs)...
2012-01-08 00847, 2012
nikki
or you could just use beta.mb
2012-01-08 00837, 2012
VxJasonxV
they implemented unified editing?
2012-01-08 00853, 2012
nikki
you can apply the same edits to recordings by ticking a box on the recordings tab there
2012-01-08 00858, 2012
VxJasonxV
Honestly I'm not sure how I feel about that :P
2012-01-08 00805, 2012
VxJasonxV
seems ripe for completely unintentional edit warring.
2012-01-08 00807, 2012
BrianFreud
nikki: beta.mb has support to let me rename all recordings and tracks from work titles, to set recording times from tracks and vica versa, and to change artists on recordings from tracks and vica versa?
2012-01-08 00826, 2012
BrianFreud hopes that box is default off
2012-01-08 00824, 2012
VxJasonxV
go try it out!
2012-01-08 00827, 2012
VxJasonxV
that's what it's there fow
2012-01-08 00828, 2012
VxJasonxV
-w+r
2012-01-08 00838, 2012
BrianFreud
lol
2012-01-08 00849, 2012
BrianFreud
maybe when I wake up, but for now, bed :)
2012-01-08 00857, 2012
VxJasonxV
hold that thought for like, 3 minutes
2012-01-08 00800, 2012
VxJasonxV
if you can
2012-01-08 00801, 2012
BrianFreud
lol, ok
2012-01-08 00811, 2012
VxJasonxV
... hopefully just three minutes.
2012-01-08 00819, 2012
BrianFreud
code?
2012-01-08 00852, 2012
VxJasonxV
something fancy pants.
2012-01-08 00803, 2012
BrianFreud
lol
2012-01-08 00821, 2012
CallerNo6
BrianFreud: feel like doing some javascript troubleshooting?
2012-01-08 00826, 2012
BrianFreud is SO happy with his nice pretty label AR page. Now I can actually make sense of the ARs! :)
BrianFreud: the wiki page includes the script page I linked to above. When that link is removed, the navbar displays where it should.
2012-01-08 00823, 2012
VxJasonxV
did UserScripts prevent the ability for any user to upload/"improve" another user's script?
2012-01-08 00824, 2012
BrianFreud
whatever the change in FF9 was that broke mediawiki, etc, is being backed out in FF10
2012-01-08 00828, 2012
VxJasonxV
or is it just behind a login?
2012-01-08 00835, 2012
VxJasonxV
(I suppose I could log in and find out.)
2012-01-08 00836, 2012
BrianFreud
VxJasonxV, afaik, it's always been that way
2012-01-08 00842, 2012
BrianFreud
when it's been needed, we've just uploaded a new script and made mention of it being a fixed version of the other one. murdos' Discogs script -> my improved version -> migrated into his, and I took mine back off. (Hence the mention of me on that script's page)
2012-01-08 00840, 2012
BrianFreud
CallerNo6, the FF team does mention that it only affects older versions of MediaWiki - is our install that out of date?
2012-01-08 00812, 2012
CallerNo6
yeah, years out of date
2012-01-08 00856, 2012
BrianFreud
seems the best fix might be to just upgrade?
2012-01-08 00851, 2012
BrianFreud hopes we're not also using any jQuery feature detection to do something special for FF anywhere, as that also got broken for older jQuery versions in FF9
2012-01-08 00841, 2012
CallerNo6 was looking for the wrong problem, assuming FF got more strict about some bit of sloppy code
that's what happens when you try to feature detect :P
2012-01-08 00809, 2012
BrianFreud
technically, though, the FF team was right, I think...
2012-01-08 00818, 2012
CallerNo6
That's what happens when you run mediawiki 1.11.2 , circa 2007
2012-01-08 00834, 2012
BrianFreud
Navigator.taintEnabled() was depricated in Javascript 1.2, scheduled for removal in 1.3; that predates even ECMAScript 1.0. And JS1.2 dates back all the way to June 1997 and Netscape Navigator 4.0 :P
2012-01-08 00850, 2012
BrianFreud
that it's still in FF at all is bork
2012-01-08 00808, 2012
VxJasonxV
so umm
2012-01-08 00816, 2012
VxJasonxV
copy / paste js into favorite editor
2012-01-08 00819, 2012
VxJasonxV
edit
2012-01-08 00821, 2012
VxJasonxV
save
2012-01-08 00823, 2012
VxJasonxV
drag file into firefox
2012-01-08 00825, 2012
VxJasonxV
test
2012-01-08 00826, 2012
VxJasonxV
success?
2012-01-08 00843, 2012
BrianFreud
profit :)
2012-01-08 00850, 2012
VxJasonxV
you forgot the ??? first
2012-01-08 00816, 2012
CallerNo6
from bugzilla, "Our experience is generally that people just ignore the warnings. The only value that they add is us being able to say "hey, we warned you"."
2012-01-08 00810, 2012
VxJasonxV
I love how when I start using a new language, I just make language assumptions
2012-01-08 00830, 2012
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2012-01-08 00838, 2012
BrianFreud notes that @match is now part of Greasemonkey in FF as well
2012-01-08 00855, 2012
VxJasonxV
hmmm, js rounding
2012-01-08 00809, 2012
BrianFreud
what are you trying to do?
2012-01-08 00816, 2012
VxJasonxV
Math.round apparently
2012-01-08 00854, 2012
BrianFreud wonders if bandcamp is storing times in ms???
2012-01-08 00858, 2012
VxJasonxV
someone wanna tell me if this is valid js: return minutes + ":" + seconds
2012-01-08 00814, 2012
BrianFreud
return minutes + ":" + seconds;
2012-01-08 00829, 2012
VxJasonxV
i.e. yes with semi colon which I obviously forgot but would likely but on
2012-01-08 00836, 2012
VxJasonxV
I had it on every other line :P
2012-01-08 00838, 2012
Vorpal joined the channel
2012-01-08 00828, 2012
BrianFreud
wow bandcamp's site is noisy... looks like someone forgot to turn off logging of js debug text
