hawke_: can you give some more details on your specific situation?
hawke_
In this case I am thinking of the Jonathan Coulton Artificial Heart level four release (a special edition, basically) — the CD edition was available in September; the special edition has some schedule slippage until January
VxJasonxV
hawke_, release dates are usually "street dates"
digital and instant? release date is the public availability date.
analog and mailed? what warp said.
hawke_
So four months before it was actually available? That seems wrong.
VxJasonxV
eh?
hawke_
The RG was available in September, the release (edition) was not shipped (or received of course) until January despite a planned ship date of 2011-11 or 2011-12
VxJasonxV
the regular CD has one release date, the special edition has another
hawke_
OK, and my question is: what should that date be?
Given that it’s not available in stores
kovacsur
basically, whatever the label says.
VxJasonxV
you can have multiple release events.
hawke_
and only shipped directly from the artist
(or whatever fulfillment company, I suppose)
kovacsur
Release dates for small labels and self-releases are usually totally arbitrary
hawke_
but certainly *ordered* directly from the artist
warp
hawke_: whatever the date is that the first group of persons received their copy I guess.
hawke_
So, received date then.
kovacsur
If there's no source for a specific date, just enter the month or year
hawke_
yeah, I’m only planning on using the month
warp
I wouldn't consider it much of a release unless someone (from the general public) has access to it
hawke_
since I don’t know the date on which the first person receive their shipment
warp: Lots of people from the general public have access to it, you just had to order it.
It’s hardly the first limited edition release we have in MB
warp
hawke_: according to you it hasn't shipped yet, so no one (other than the artist and publisher, etc..) has access to it yet.
hawke_
warp: I received mine yesterday.
It shipped this month
I believe others have received it within the last few days.
warp
yes, so the release date is roughly this week.
kovacsur
I found this in a blog entry on the artist's page: "Level 4 packages are being assembled RIGHT NOW and the plan is for them to hit the mail this week."
So I'd assume entering 2012-01 should be safe
hawke_
yup
They obviously did hit the mail this month, so… :-)
Now I just need to figure out how to handle the digital media version…
we really need medium parts. :-/
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This medium has overall track numbers 1-194 for each file…
but they’re also divided into albums within the tags
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So like … “124 Millionaire Girlfriend.ogg” has tags tracknumber: 5 and album: Live at Belly Up Solana Beach 5/14/09
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kovacsur
hawke, do you mean you consider "Everything (everything listed below)" an album?
Or is there a separate release with all these tracks on some other site?
hawke_
kovacsur: where?
No
kovacsur
hawke_, nevermind, I was looking in the wrong place
so where is this release?
hawke_
This is a flash drive included with the special edition
kovacsur
Oh, I see
hawke_
Also: New medium type: music box! :-D
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reosarevok hates people
ianmcorvidae
delete
but yeah.
kepstin-laptop
move to artist annotation then delete?
reosarevok
Well, yeah
Add the info that it gives first
But still
It kinda feels like someone is being "I'll drop this here and maybe you can add the info" :p
kepstin-laptop
pretty fancy censored musicbrainz logo
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slightly annoying to me, I tend to use middle-click on musicbrainz logo to open a new tab on the musicbrainz site ;)
reosarevok
Yeah, me too
:p
hawke_
I was gonna say, isn’t that the point?
ocharles has also done that
ocharles
surprised you guys haven't user scripted it away
:P
reosarevok has been reading wikipedia caches a lot today :p
reosarevok
(I didn't want to deactivate the JS because I'm too lazy)
kovacsur
I was about to suggest signing in and editing monobook.css, but then realized that would be even more work
kepstin-laptop
when I'm doing musicbrainz stuff, I tend to use the japanese wikipedia more than the english one, anyways :/
nikki
ocharles: well *I* already user scripted almost the entire header away ages ago :P
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ocharles
heh
nikki
you could just turn off js
reosarevok
kepstin-laptop, tsk
It's an UK band not an Irish one
nikki
opera makes it easy to turn off js for a site, you clearly need a better browser if you can't do it in yours :D
kepstin-laptop notes that it's 13:37 right now here ;)
reosarevok
Northern Ireland, UK
kepstin-laptop
reosarevok: well, then you can fix that ;)
reosarevok
I did :p
kovacsur
Wow, you seriously copied that blurb into the annotation?
kepstin-laptop
kovacsur: well, why not.
reosarevok
Yeah
kovacsur
It's all over the internet, could even be copyrighted for all we know, but fine with me
reosarevok
If we get a complaint, we'll happily remove it
kepstin-laptop
hey, the person who added it to the wiki had to agree with the CC licensing already
so it's their fault ;)
kovacsur
heheh
reosarevok
Yeah
reosarevok imports their release from iTunes
And deletes the page
hawke_
Anyone know of a list of musicbox tunes/rolls/whatever that medium is called?
kepstin-laptop
man, we delete wiki pages almost as much as wikipedia does ;)
reosarevok
(random one)
kepstin-laptop
heh, you can get a music box that plays Michael Jackson's Thriller.
hawke_
Nice…I should add a few of those to MB
“Single?”
recording just seems so wrong for these
much like midi files, piano rolls, and a lot of video game music
kepstin-laptop
yeah; I know of a bunch of midi game music added as recordings simply because we don't have a better way to represent it
ianmcorvidae
I guess it's just a work, but
yeah :/
reosarevok
Well
if you are tagging it, you have a recording
"recording"
hawke_
reosarevok: Not everything in mb exists to be tagged
reosarevok
What I mean is that if someone added a recording, that's probably the reason
kepstin-laptop notes that http://musicbrainz.org/release/e9573d20-a0d5-4e36-9840-3e32a434e05f is an fun release; it has re-done versions of some of the band's songs done in a style that sounds like it's being played on a music box
So he probably has a real "recording" of it
hawke_
there’s also a range…some midi files or piano rolls are recordings of what keys were hit on a keyboard when
whereas music boxes are entirely artificial
and piano rolls are sometimes hand edited
as are midi files
kepstin-laptop
in particular, with game midi tracks there are a lot of mp3s floating around where someone has run the midi through a synthesizer and recorded it, or alternately just recorded the game playing the music.
hawke_
but then video games, is the record the … commands sent to the audio chip to produce sound, or is it the sound itself?
*recording
kepstin-laptop
the annoying thing is that they'll sound different depending on the person's sound card :/
hawke_
yup
yet another layer to MB-recordings/work-thingies/whatever. :-)
kepstin-laptop
midi files are kind of arrangements, really
hawke_
Or representations of the work itself, yeah
depending on who created them
ianmcorvidae
arrangements are works too, so what you're saying is midi files are works :)
(which I agree with -- we just don't have a good way of grouping those into a 'release')
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hawke_
ianmcorvidae: Right, I know. But if it’s the original composition instead of an arrangement of a composition…
kepstin-laptop
hmm. a release of works, eh
ianmcorvidae
makes sense for e.g. books of sheet music as well
kepstin-laptop
ianmcorvidae: yeah
reosarevok
Not necessarily
ianmcorvidae
moves sort of a weird way away from MB's current focus, but
reosarevok
A sheet music book is a "manifestation" rather than a work
It's just not a recording :p
ianmcorvidae
oh, true
you with your FRBR
reosarevok
Someone change the recording name to manifestation :p
ianmcorvidae
does FRBR allow derivative manifestations?
I guess it has to
heh, we can make it 'manifestation' and have a manifestation type
including 'recording'
:P
hawke_
reosarevok: we need more than that, we’d need the tools to represent stuff other than PCM data
