CatCat: I updated the plain tracklist, maybe you can tell me if it’s better now ? :)
2012-01-24 02434, 2012
jesus2099
the only known problem is that the ESC key doesn’t work in Chrome (I tested FF too where everything works as in Opera)
2012-01-24 02431, 2012
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2012-01-24 02428, 2012
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2012-01-24 02448, 2012
jesus2099_
has noticed that sometimes, the sidebar’s inline ajax search’s result pane has wrong Z-INDEX and ratings stars remain in front of it ? It happens sometimes but I can’t reproduce it to file a bug… :/
2012-01-24 02405, 2012
jesus2099_
has ++anyone++ noticed …
2012-01-24 02452, 2012
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2012-01-24 02401, 2012
kovacsur
Is there a consensus on barcodes that are not printed on the actual release, but are known to be assigned to the product? Should they be added?
2012-01-24 02449, 2012
reoafk has no idea
2012-01-24 02400, 2012
reosarevok
I haven't seen discussion on that matter I think
2012-01-24 02414, 2012
warp
kovacsur: I have no problem with that.
2012-01-24 02418, 2012
kovacsur
http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Barcode actually suggests guessing barcodes (which I find rather questionable by the way), so in the spirit of that page it should probably be added
2012-01-24 02441, 2012
kovacsur
on the other hand, it may actually make it more difficult for someone to ID the release in their hands
2012-01-24 02403, 2012
warp
kovacsur: I expect there are a fair amount of releases where the barcode is on some outer packaging (sleeve, shrink-wrap) which is thrown away by many consumers.
2012-01-24 02424, 2012
kovacsur
Fine, I'll add it then
2012-01-24 02433, 2012
warp
obi?
2012-01-24 02454, 2012
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2012-01-24 02423, 2012
kovacsur
I don't think the barcode was printed anywhere in this case apart from catalogs and databases of the label (Polygram/Universal)
2012-01-24 02456, 2012
kepstin-laptop
kovacsur: is the release on amazon? Try entering the barcode in the amazon search box, and see if that finds the release :)
2012-01-24 02416, 2012
kovacsur
kepstin-laptop, nope, the album is only available in mp3 on Amazon
2012-01-24 02435, 2012
kovacsur
Thanks for the suggestion, though. :)
2012-01-24 02415, 2012
kovacsur
I eventually decided to add the barcode along with an annotation mentioning that it isn't printed on the release
2012-01-24 02453, 2012
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2012-01-24 02443, 2012
jordan__
Hi wondering if anyone can answer a question I have regarding setting up a server.
2012-01-24 02454, 2012
VxJasonxV
jordan__, don't ask to ask, just ask the question
2012-01-24 02412, 2012
VxJasonxV
entering a channel and saying "Hi!!" isn't quite as effective either.
2012-01-24 02414, 2012
jordan__
sorry :( just making sure someone is there. so I set up the server and everything is working find. However when I run a query like: ws/2/release-group/?artist=d5d97b2b-b83b-4976-814a-056d9076c8c3&inc=artist-credits&type=album I get an error
2012-01-24 02424, 2012
jordan__
saying album is not a recognized release-group type.
2012-01-24 02430, 2012
VxJasonxV
type=release
2012-01-24 02438, 2012
VxJasonxV
I think?
2012-01-24 02402, 2012
jordan__
hmm ok ill try that. it works when I use album on the MB server
2012-01-24 02420, 2012
VxJasonxV
oh, you're saying a local query.
2012-01-24 02427, 2012
VxJasonxV
and yes, it does work on the MB server... sorry
2012-01-24 02458, 2012
VxJasonxV
I haven't managed to set up a server for myself for one reason or another
and all the queries seem to work except when I use the type addition
2012-01-24 02430, 2012
VxJasonxV
you may also want to see -> #musicbrainz-devel
2012-01-24 02438, 2012
VxJasonxV
maybe...
2012-01-24 02457, 2012
jordan__
ok thanks ill go there now thanks for your help
2012-01-24 02407, 2012
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2012-01-24 02442, 2012
jesus2099
kovacsur warp often removable stuff like obi (in jpn) or stickers hold the barcode which is then invisibale later
2012-01-24 02446, 2012
jesus2099
sometimes some release without barcode have one in databases but never on the physical release. it happened to me sometimes to guess the barcode from many consisten internet sources although I had the complete release without anything on it
2012-01-24 02418, 2012
hawke_
Hmm, I wouldn’t add a barcode if it doesn’t have a barcode.
2012-01-24 02436, 2012
hawke_
It’s a “barcode” field, not an EAN/UPC field.
2012-01-24 02438, 2012
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2012-01-24 02401, 2012
jesus2099_
I can retrieve those releases to show you maybe
2012-01-24 02430, 2012
CatCat
yo! we know you like barcodes so we put barcodes in your barcodes so you can scan while you scan
2012-01-24 02459, 2012
kovacsur
hawke_, I had two options, either store the unprinted barcode in the annotation field and make it difficult to search/list, or store it in the barcode field and mention it isn't printed in the annotation
2012-01-24 02413, 2012
kovacsur
I think the latter is more useful for practical purposes
2012-01-24 02413, 2012
hawke_
It’s not a barcode if it’s unprinted. :-p
2012-01-24 02415, 2012
jesus2099_
btw here is a google that will find most releases’ (not too old releases) matching japanese barcodes from the catalogue number , for instance you look for KICS-994’s JAN (Japanese Article Number=bvarcode) because you lost the obi or you didn’t get it at your second hand shops :
hawke_: that would disallow other types of barcode.
2012-01-24 02454, 2012
jesus2099_
I tried to input || ||| ||||| | |||| and got yielded at by MB, should I file a bug ? ;)
2012-01-24 02435, 2012
hawke_
warp: …yes, so?
2012-01-24 02437, 2012
CatCat
silly jesus
2012-01-24 02418, 2012
hawke_
warp: If we’re entering things that aren’t a barcode into the barcode field, then either that’s wrong, or it’s right and the field needs to be renamed.
2012-01-24 02403, 2012
kepstin-laptop
barcodes are really just an alternate way of visually dipicting numbers and/or text...
2012-01-24 02451, 2012
hawke_
We already validate that the barcode is a UPC/EAN, and require confirmation if it’s not — and advise people not to enter supplemental barcodes either
2012-01-24 02456, 2012
kepstin-laptop
it's possible to add code to make musicbrainz display the visual barcode based on the number you enter, if you really want
2012-01-24 02458, 2012
hawke_
kepstin-laptop: Indeed.
2012-01-24 02413, 2012
hawke_
kepstin-laptop: But only if you know the encoding of the original barcode. :-p
Sure it’s often displayed as a barcode for machine readability…but that doesn’t mean it’s a barcode
2012-01-24 02450, 2012
kepstin-laptop
just like '1234' isn't a number, it's a visual representation of a number.
2012-01-24 02451, 2012
warp
hawke_: I'd say the number is GTIN.
2012-01-24 02423, 2012
kepstin-laptop
hmm. for EAN, GTIN might be more accurate, yeah
2012-01-24 02427, 2012
jesus2099_
I think I’ll try to EMBED (with madonna) this page as a USERJS to display bar codes in MB :D
2012-01-24 02435, 2012
hawke_
warp: GTIN is the successor to EAN and UPC
2012-01-24 02440, 2012
hawke_
warp: but it’s the same thing
2012-01-24 02444, 2012
warp
EAN, UPC and JAN are all barcode encodings of a GTIN.
2012-01-24 02447, 2012
hawke_
It’s the number
2012-01-24 02451, 2012
hawke_
No, they’re not.
2012-01-24 02413, 2012
jesus2099_
yes they are — no they’re not — yes they are — no they’re not…
2012-01-24 02404, 2012
hawke_
Though I’ll agree that it’s confused by the fact that there are *also* barcode formats called UPC and EAN
2012-01-24 02415, 2012
hawke_
But the thing itself is the number
2012-01-24 02408, 2012
nikki thinks hawke is being overly pedantic
2012-01-24 02417, 2012
kepstin-laptop
hawke_: according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTIN a GTIN is a standard identification number that may be encoded into a variety of barcode formats
2012-01-24 02424, 2012
kepstin-laptop
it appears to be a generalization of EAN
2012-01-24 02435, 2012
hawke_
kepstin-laptop: Yep.
2012-01-24 02426, 2012
kepstin-laptop
apparently 'EAN' is short for 'International Artical Number' ;)
2012-01-24 02412, 2012
hawke_
nikki: Probably. I’m just saying that the field should be renamed and we should have candidates for what sort of item numbers we care about.
2012-01-24 02422, 2012
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2012-01-24 02434, 2012
hawke_
be that UPC, EAN, GTIN (really all the same thing), ISBN…
2012-01-24 02439, 2012
hawke_
I don’t know, are there others?
2012-01-24 02403, 2012
nikki
there's been some requests for code 39
2012-01-24 02418, 2012
jesus2099_
kepstin-laptop: no one knows what a GTIN is :D
2012-01-24 02420, 2012
kovacsur
hawke_, I think the field is called "barcode" because that's what most people recognize
