#musicbrainz

hawke_, it is http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Subscription

reosarevok: The code for determining what notifications go out (and what appears in an artist edit history), is not a wiki. :-p

Yeah, the code is also not the place to document stuff for users :p

(although *that* should be more clear too, yes)

(but we should document what we can at least!)

all right, thanks :)

reosarevok: But I can’t write a wiki page without knowing the code, that’s my point.

nikki, do you know what goes into the edit history?

is there by any chance a way to subscribe to artists etc. depending on albums I own? something like a reverse picard

Yes and no

There's nothing official

But hrglgrmpf had some way I think?

Maybe he can help when he's around

Junnec, I'm kinda curious what kind of artists those would be

(I remember hrglgrmpf had some problems because a few of the artists kept getting edits all the time so he couldn't keep all the subscriptions he wanted or he wouldn't have time to check them all)

I have that problem occasionally

http://musicbrainz.org/edit/16517181 labels are weird

One label is mailing the BBC to add stuff to a title that doesn't seem to be in the title

A lot of it is because edits aren’t grouped well

Yeah :(

e.g. add release is like 5 edits

and adding ARs to one release is often 30 edits or more

it's time to do some cooking, see you later

amazing. irc works through my mobile connection, but is blocked in the institute's wi-fi

http://musicbrainz.org/search?query=BWV+147&... … Tenth movement, anyone have any idea why 'various artists' is listed in the artists list?

Ah, thanks

I had “match case” on which is why I couldn’t find it in the performances list

derp!

hawke_, should I change that release to composers?

reosarevok: Please do.

I was just thinking, “but I don’t *want* to figure out the composers of that whole album…let alone the performers!

Actually it looks like performers would be much easier, looking closer

Anyway, change it to whatever you think the final result of RFV-348 will be. ;-)

hawke_, it's a Naxos release

Shouldn't be hard to source all the info

I suppose

http://www.naxos.com/catalogue/item.asp?item_co... there

I didn’t know there were “christmas albums” with useful credit information. ;-)

There

Not perfect maybe

But should do

Is there no way to query with an Artist ID and the name of a recording to get the Recording's ID ?

do a recording search for the recording name and arid:artistidhere

Hmm… http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Viswb2DBCzY/TPEdB0WV8... tracks 14–17…that seems rather strange. (“BWV 105, 170 & 49”?)

hawke_: they're arrangements

all the tracks on the release are ("in Bearbeitungen von Andreas N. Tarkmann")

four tracks for three cantatas?

Also, they’re in MB apparently as movements of a single work: http://musicbrainz.org/release/aae02248-386e-4b...

So…Hmm, the work should be “Konzert für Oboe, Streicher und Basso continuo”?

and it should not itself be listed as “BWV 105, 170, & 49”, but as a later version of those?

the "in bearbeitungen" part ("as edited by") certainly makes it look like a new work

Is that closer to “arrangement”, or does it more strongly imply real changes?

I think http://deccaclassics.com/cat/single?sort=newest... is probably the same release

Certainly looks like that’s the English version

“Arrangments by xxx of movements from cantatas by J.S.Bach”

nikki: unfortunately it does not work: http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?quer...

hawke_: you could also try asking pradig about the changes introduced by the arrangement… I suspect he knows a bit about that, being in the münchener bach-chor and all :-)

why does my query not work ? Why does it not return only THAT arid ? but instead about 300 others ?

Thad: I don’t think you specified that you were using the web service.

Thad, I think http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?quer... works?

(actually, " " seem not to be needed)

Yeah, http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?quer...

reosarevok: looks like your right: http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?quer...

Thad: http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording?query...

hawke_, he wanted a specific title too

Oh, Thad: title is the default

So http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording?query... works too

reosarevok: yeap, a filtered query. Thanks reosarevok

yeah, I realize that…just wasn’t sure how to separate multiple parameters

which I guess falls under "lucene search syntax"

who updates these docs ? http://musicbrainz.org/doc/XML_Web_Service/Vers...

also, the fact that it ORs by default is weird. ;-)

Thad, the search docs are at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/XML_Web_Service/Ver...

Wow, whoever made searching by MBID in “relate to…” — I love you.

You love bitmap

Seems like that is often the case.

Those little details that make things work so much more smoothly

reosarevok: the main musicbrainz website shows my mentioned link under 1) Products -> XML Web Service and also under 2) Documentation -> Development -> It's first paragraph has hyperlink again. Why are those 2 areas not pointing to the Wiki instead ??

OMG, the MBID search even auto-detects the type.

Yep!

Thad, http://musicbrainz.org/doc/XML_Web_Service/Vers... is just a static version of http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/XML_Web_Service/Ver...

Oh, and a few changes by other people too it seems

reosarevok: ah. well, thanks for the AND tip... didin't even know that since I didn't see it documented. This will help me immensely with 18 million tracks on iTunes. Thanks again.

Thad: it's documented on the Lucene search info, which was linked from http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/XML_Web_Service/Ver...

But yeah

It's such an obvious usecase

I've added a small note about it

So people don't need to dive into the Lucene docs for it

reosarevok: that will help others.

That's the idea :)

Argh

nikki, navap, or any other transclusion editor

Is the "Get wiki versions" button broken? http://musicbrainz.org/admin/wikidoc :(

reosarevok: does this mean that MB does not have this artist ? http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?quer...

So, yeah, it means that

(the query itself is OK, see http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?quer... )

reosarevok: got it. thanks. also... anyway to apply a 3rd filter with the score and limiting only to score=100 ? <recording ext:score="100"

Thad: no idea about that one :/

Must be a way

(or well, should)

But I don't know it

Hmm

Thad, http://wiki.apache.org/lucene-java/LuceneFAQ#Ca...

So maybe not

I understand what they are saying, but in the case of this double query, it would suffice perfectly.

reosarevok: so I will just use &limit=2 ...http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?query=recording:%22home%22%20AND%20arid:c9584c27-f240-4f0e-8e82-3470111f24be&limit=2

Well, I don't know what you're trying to do exactly

But if that works for you, then it works for you!

reosarevok: it also doesn't appear that Lucene out-of-the-box has an "exact" operator....hmmm. In other words, do not show my recordings that "contain" the word "home", but instead the recording name is exactly titled "home".

Thad: we're getting out of my pretty small comfort zone with queries - I don't know too much about this

But if ijabz is here he probably can help

ijabz, you around?

I do not want "Coming Home" to be returned as a recording for Marc Broussard. reading Lucene docs now, but it must be some kind of advanced thing.

reosarevok: well, it does appear you can use boost to force a LOWER score against using a phrase, where the recording "Coming Home" was dropped from a score of 91 to 67 after using ^20 (boost 20) in my query after the recording name phrase: http://www.musicbrainz.org/ws/2/recording/?quer...

Thad: what query returns 'coming home'?

hawke_: that one also.

(for marc broussard)

Thad: I don’t see 'coming home' in the results anywhere

index 15 in that XML output

(the 15th recording)

remove the ^20 and you will see the difference as well.

For me that’s “Going Home”

err, Going Home.. sorry

righto

Oh, OK. :-D

hawke_: Marc's a very..."homey" guy :)

ijabz is really the best one to answer this stuff, I’m afraid.

out of curiousity, why do you need an exact match only?