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      • CatCat
        please pm me or osmething
      • 2012-02-19 05054, 2012

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      • xplt
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      • Munger
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      • Munger
        I can't find libaliased-perl on Gentoo
      • 2012-02-19 05027, 2012

      • Munger
        I assumethat's a missingdependency
      • 2012-02-19 05057, 2012

      • derwin
        wow, you still have that problem
      • 2012-02-19 05001, 2012

      • derwin
        12 hours later?
      • 2012-02-19 05011, 2012

      • CatCat
        hey anyone?
      • 2012-02-19 05034, 2012

      • Munger
        Yep. I kinda got sidetracked by a couple of pints of guinness and some fried chicken
      • 2012-02-19 05049, 2012

      • CatCat
        hey i was wondering if one of you (american?) could help me buy 5 of these http://www.amazon.com/Adidas-After-Sport-Hair-Sha… (won't ship to norway for some reason :/)
      • 2012-02-19 05011, 2012

      • CatCat
        they stopped selling thme here, soi was so happy to see it on amazon
      • 2012-02-19 05018, 2012

      • CatCat
        naturally i will pay
      • 2012-02-19 05036, 2012

      • CatCat
        please pm me or something, i will go t obed now
      • 2012-02-19 05000, 2012

      • CatCat
        if anyone else gets in here.. you can tell them about this too, can'r you?
      • 2012-02-19 05001, 2012

      • derwin
        CatCat: I fail at mailing things, otherwise would help.
      • 2012-02-19 05011, 2012

      • CatCat
        since there is a sale right now too
      • 2012-02-19 05016, 2012

      • CatCat
        derwin: uhhuh.. ok
      • 2012-02-19 05026, 2012

      • derwin
        no, it's like a longstanding problem I have
      • 2012-02-19 05037, 2012

      • derwin
        I think I will do it, and offer, and then don't :)
      • 2012-02-19 05059, 2012

      • CatCat
        ok, but you can help by sendign others to my query and tell them about it while i am away sleeping, THAt would help!
      • 2012-02-19 05002, 2012

      • CatCat
        :)
      • 2012-02-19 05007, 2012

      • CatCat
        arg the neigbour
      • 2012-02-19 05019, 2012

      • Munger
        CatCat, You need anAmazonwish list
      • 2012-02-19 05030, 2012

      • Munger
        I need to clean my space bar
      • 2012-02-19 05039, 2012

      • CatCat
        what do you mean?
      • 2012-02-19 05054, 2012

      • CatCat
        it wont help becasue they won't send to norway
      • 2012-02-19 05002, 2012

      • Munger
        I guess that won't hep you though if they won't ship to Norway
      • 2012-02-19 05019, 2012

      • CatCat
        you have to order it to you and then shi pto me (or i buty it and ship to your adress)
      • 2012-02-19 05024, 2012

      • CatCat
        and you ship to me
      • 2012-02-19 05033, 2012

      • SultS
        CatCat, amazon uk or de won’t ship there either?
      • 2012-02-19 05036, 2012

      • CatCat
        i gotta get up early so i'm going to bed, but we can duke it out tomorrow
      • 2012-02-19 05056, 2012

      • CatCat
        i already searched amazon uk they dob't have it.. i didn't check de
      • 2012-02-19 05013, 2012

      • SultS
        ah, ok
      • 2012-02-19 05036, 2012

      • CatCat
        let me check
      • 2012-02-19 05053, 2012

      • SultS
        not on de or fr
      • 2012-02-19 05002, 2012

      • CatCat
        yea
      • 2012-02-19 05046, 2012

      • SultS
        i guess only uk has it (and they are out)
      • 2012-02-19 05039, 2012

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      • CatCat
        us has it
      • 2012-02-19 05016, 2012

      • CatCat
        uk doesn't have it
      • 2012-02-19 05024, 2012

      • SultS
        I meant in europe… UK has a page for it, but the product is “Currently unavailable”
      • 2012-02-19 05037, 2012

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      • CatCat
        I did a search on amazon.uk i didn't find it at all ,neither unavailable nor not
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      • derwin
        hrm...
      • 2012-02-19 05024, 2012

      • derwin
      • 2012-02-19 05034, 2012

      • derwin
        am I missing "appearing as" here?
      • 2012-02-19 05054, 2012

      • derwin
        so in the case of "Stazma" appearing as "Stazma the Junglechrist" how do I get it to name my file with the longer one?
      • 2012-02-19 05043, 2012

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      • kepstin-laptop
        derwin: what do you mean? Picard will use the as-credited name from the artist credit by default
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      • CatCat
        hey i found a differnt seller, it cost more though, but atleast thery can send to norway
      • 2012-02-19 05053, 2012

      • CatCat
        yea
      • 2012-02-19 05000, 2012

      • CatCat
        natta alle
      • 2012-02-19 05015, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        derwin: check to make sure that you don't have Options > Metadata > Use standardized artist names enabled.
      • 2012-02-19 05039, 2012

      • derwin
        kepstin-laptop: what I mean is, if I want to, say, name the file as one or the other.
      • 2012-02-19 05003, 2012

      • derwin
        if it defaults to using the as-credited name, how can I access the non-as-credited name?
      • 2012-02-19 05008, 2012

      • derwin
        the "canonical" name
      • 2012-02-19 05030, 2012

      • derwin
        like say I never want "Stazma" credited as anything but "Stazma"
      • 2012-02-19 05030, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        derwin: ah, there's no way of doing that right now, as far as I know.
      • 2012-02-19 05044, 2012

      • derwin
        oh. well that will probalby make this beets tagger bug harder to accomplish.
      • 2012-02-19 05002, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        ... what does beets have to do with picard?
      • 2012-02-19 05014, 2012

      • derwin
        it uses similar entity mappings
      • 2012-02-19 05023, 2012

      • derwin
        and therefore allows me to refer to something when asking question :)
      • 2012-02-19 05054, 2012

      • derwin
        what does "use standardized artist names" do?
      • 2012-02-19 05039, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        derwin: when determining the values for 'artist', 'albumartist', etc, it uses the artist's name rather than the name used in the artist credit.
      • 2012-02-19 05045, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        iirc.
      • 2012-02-19 05058, 2012

      • derwin
        so like "Aphex Twin" gets "Richard D. James" ?
      • 2012-02-19 05026, 2012

      • derwin
        " Check to only use standard Artist names, rather than Artist Credits which may differ slightly across tracks and releases. "
      • 2012-02-19 05027, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        no, aphex twin is a separate artist.
      • 2012-02-19 05048, 2012

      • derwin
        isn't that what I'm asking about?
      • 2012-02-19 05053, 2012

      • derwin
        artist "names" versus "credits" ?
      • 2012-02-19 05057, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        it'll use "Aphex Twin" instead of "The Aphex Twin" on http://musicbrainz.org/release-group/119f30e7-ee9…
      • 2012-02-19 05025, 2012

      • derwin
        isn't that the same as "Stazma" instead of "Stazma The Junglechrist" ?
      • 2012-02-19 05031, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        derwin: yes.
      • 2012-02-19 05033, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        probably, yes
      • 2012-02-19 05033, 2012

      • derwin
        I feel like you told me "no" but your answer is logical yes?
      • 2012-02-19 05039, 2012

      • derwin confused
      • 2012-02-19 05051, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        sometimes there are alternate names that are actually put in as separate artists
      • 2012-02-19 05001, 2012

      • derwin
        right, I'm talking artist alias ones, "performing as"
      • 2012-02-19 05005, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        like evidently Richard D. James and Aphex Twin are actually two different artists
      • 2012-02-19 05008, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah
      • 2012-02-19 05032, 2012

      • derwin
      • 2012-02-19 05032, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        so yeah, standardized names will deal with different crediting but won't change Richard James to Aphex Twin or vice versa
      • 2012-02-19 05038, 2012

      • derwin
        is the example
      • 2012-02-19 05003, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        ah, yes
      • 2012-02-19 05018, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        use standardized names would list "Stazma The Junglechrist", since that's the name for the artist
      • 2012-02-19 05026, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        while the normal system would use 'Stazma'
      • 2012-02-19 05026, 2012

      • derwin
        ok
      • 2012-02-19 05026, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        derwin: ah, I read your original question backwards. I thought you said that "Stazma" was credited as "Stazma The Junglechrist"
      • 2012-02-19 05036, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah, that had confused me too :)
      • 2012-02-19 05038, 2012

      • derwin
        kepstin-laptop: I thought it was the other way around, my bad
      • 2012-02-19 05051, 2012

      • derwin
        I guess "Stazma The Junglechrist" is canonical
      • 2012-02-19 05051, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        usually the shorter name is the standard, that didn't help :P
      • 2012-02-19 05057, 2012

      • derwin
        yeah, heh!
      • 2012-02-19 05011, 2012

      • derwin
        ok. I think I grok now.
      • 2012-02-19 05011, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        derwin: the capitalization of that seems wrong, shouldn't it be "Stazma the Junglechrist" ?
      • 2012-02-19 05019, 2012

      • derwin
        kepstin-laptop: you probably are correct
      • 2012-02-19 05018, 2012

      • derwin
        this doc says
      • 2012-02-19 05019, 2012

      • derwin
        " Automatically scan all new files: Check this box if you want Picard to scan each music file you add and look for a PUID. This takes time, but may be helpful for you and MusicBrainz. "
      • 2012-02-19 05023, 2012

      • derwin
        still current ?
      • 2012-02-19 05034, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        derwin: well, it'll use acoustids now if you have them enabled
      • 2012-02-19 05038, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        but otherwise, yes
      • 2012-02-19 05023, 2012

      • derwin
        I guess I don't have wiki perms
      • 2012-02-19 05032, 2012

      • derwin
        was going to replace with " AcoustID "
      • 2012-02-19 05003, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        derwin: you should be able to edit it, hm
      • 2012-02-19 05006, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        which page is this?
      • 2012-02-19 05031, 2012

      • derwin
        ianmcorvidae: sec
      • 2012-02-19 05037, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        ah, nvm, I found the page
      • 2012-02-19 05041, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        want me to just fix it?
      • 2012-02-19 05051, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        probably changing it to talk about fingerprints in general rather than a specific implementation would be better
      • 2012-02-19 05059, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah
      • 2012-02-19 05010, 2012

      • derwin
      • 2012-02-19 05013, 2012

      • derwin
        but sure
      • 2012-02-19 05039, 2012

      • derwin
        kepstin-laptop: do you know how picard canonicalizes? does the webservice give you both "artistcredit" and "artistname" ?
      • 2012-02-19 05047, 2012

      • derwin
        or is that two /ws requests?
      • 2012-02-19 05001, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        it probably includes the artist request
      • 2012-02-19 05003, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        which will give the name
      • 2012-02-19 05014, 2012

      • derwin
        ah, I see, there's a release request then and artist request, in general
      • 2012-02-19 05017, 2012

      • derwin
        which makes sense, ok.
      • 2012-02-19 05019, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        the webservice includes some artist info along with the artist credit
      • 2012-02-19 05020, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        no, I mean
      • 2012-02-19 05038, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        with inc=artist-credits+artists, at least.
      • 2012-02-19 05017, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        (note that the webservice doesn't give you the artist field as flat text - the client has to put it together from the list of credited artists and join phrases)
      • 2012-02-19 05025, 2012

      • derwin
        yeah..
      • 2012-02-19 05054, 2012

      • derwin
        so an artist "credit" is how the artist is performing on a given release. if he is using a name variation, that is an "artist alias"
      • 2012-02-19 05009, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        no, aliases are different
      • 2012-02-19 05017, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        and unrelated
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      • derwin
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      • derwin
        doesn't seem to mention the idea of a "credit"
      • 2012-02-19 05057, 2012

      • derwin
        or "appearing as"
      • 2012-02-19 05007, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        that's because artist credits are documented at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Artist_Credit :)
      • 2012-02-19 05022, 2012

      • derwin
        sure, but artist credits relate to artist entity
      • 2012-02-19 05030, 2012

      • derwin
        I would expect them to be mentioned on the artist page
      • 2012-02-19 05033, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        (it probably should be linked to the artist page, i agree)
      • 2012-02-19 05002, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        derwin: take a look at http://musicbrainz.org/ws/2/release/69343359-639b… to see the information that the webservice returns - it includes both the credited name and the artist's real name.
      • 2012-02-19 05013, 2012

      • derwin
        kepstin-laptop: awesome, thx
      • 2012-02-19 05028, 2012

      • derwin
        right, "name" is the credit
      • 2012-02-19 05037, 2012

      • derwin
        err, "name-credit"
      • 2012-02-19 05051, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        name-credit > name is the "as credited" name, and name-credit > artist > name is the artist's real name.
      • 2012-02-19 05053, 2012

      • derwin
        and "name" within the artist block is the canonical
      • 2012-02-19 05002, 2012

      • derwin
        totally. awesome, thx.
      • 2012-02-19 05025, 2012

      • derwin
        fwiw, if anyone cares, bug in question is : http://code.google.com/p/beets/issues/detail?id=2…
      • 2012-02-19 05035, 2012

      • kepstin-laptop
        it gets a bit more complicated with collaborations.
      • 2012-02-19 05042, 2012

      • derwin
        ( I know beets is third party )