#musicbrainz

no

Aren't all physical releases limited editions? :)

some are more limited than other

Sure

Dunno

Might be that those "limited editions" I see tend to have bigger pressings than most of the "normal" music I own :)

Can I use a usermade tracklist http://pastebin.com/USXUyV7S to create relationships?

for http://musicbrainz.org/recording/f70b061d-a5d2-...

To works or what?

If you trust it to be right, sure

to recordings reosarevok

Hmm

I guess same

If you trust it, then yeah

UNtitled is a DJ mix of ... several things

I asked the guy that put this up

Rap featuring = Guest vocal +spoken or not?

I didn't

I would have just had rap as an option, but nooo, too vague whine whine ¬_¬

:)

god we STILL don't have rap?

wtf

nikki: you're stylethingy, can't you push this? (i guess it's not worth the hassle)

amino_ : "réalisation" ça correspond à une relation en particulier ?

CatCat: nobody has proposed it lately

CatCat: we don't have it because it has no clear boundaries and it was talked down last times it was proposed

I would like to see “rap” option… I would think booklet crediting “rap” would crediting would be enough…

I'd say to just use it if credited liek that :x

yea

Because people can't agree if http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_det... is rap

Sure, but rap albums (almost) never credit rap as rap

So we'd reach the silly result of only having rap credited as such in a few random places but not on rap albums

eurohouse might

how would rap albums be credited then? lead?

I tend to just use "vocals"

reosarevok: my japanese stuff rarely ever has credits for lead vocals despite it all having some lead vocals, yet that's no reason to nuke the lead vocal one :P

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Yeah, but lead vocals is not a style of vocalising

It's about their relative importance to the track

well I sure don't know what counts as lead vocals :/

Isn't it?

I don't think I've ever used it, if I credit anyone it's just as normal vocals

Yeah

(or background vocals for background or chorus)

I credit normal vocals as vocals, and background vocals as background vocals

(except when it specifically says "lead vocals" and I die a bit inside when I have to :p

haha

nikki: in any case, "lead" is much harder to use wrong - I doubt almost anyone would use "lead vocals" for what someone thinks are background vocals

(unless his English is very bad and thinks it is because of the metal lead and makes all kind of strange mental associations)

But it's very likely that people would enter stuff like dancehall or reggaeton as "rap", when that is *very* controversial

(to the level that a good amount of Spanish rap fans, for example, would dismiss MB as "wrong crap" if they saw reggaeton entered as rap vocals)

even if so (don’t know these genres much), I’m not sure why some wrong use should mean it can’t be used at all…

(just a little bit of hatred going on there :P)

In principle I guess I can't oppose allowing it with a guideline that says use it only when strictly credited

But then I wouldn't want to be the poor sod who has to vote no to every single person adding rappers as "rap" :p

shouldn’t people who add these know more or less what it is? perhaps we should add more options together with rap then?

what is reggaeton and dancehall?

but stuff that is *clearly* tap.. yes

CatCat: is this clearly rap? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2tgYK-GJaU

(note: the answer in the side of the internet I usually visit is "no")

(or rather "NO FUCK YOU ARGH DIE")

nope i'd not say that was clearly rap

he's singing heoo heoo

but inside the verse he raps a bit.

but not al lthe time

this is what I'd feel

If some slight singing disqualifies it, though, 50% + of what is currently thought of as "rap" in the US doesn't count

so I wouldn't tag that as rap

but it's like this

Which again causes the problem of when to vote no :p

i guess the problem is that it starts going into "genre" rather than "fact"

"Is it more hardcore than Public Enemy? If yes, use rap. If not, avoid"

Not a very good guideline

:p

and we'd have to define what exactly *is* rap

but i'd say.. if it's a "rapper" (eg eminem or 50-cents or that french guy) or expisitly say "rap" then use it, else don't

Eminem has intonating in several songs ;)

What do you call that auto-tune stuff you hear on the radio, anyway? Contemporary RnB?

that doesn’t sound like any rap I’ve heard :) (the video)

SultS: exactly

i guess it's reggeaton then

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIPYFVJntlM a lot of people would call this rap (and it isn't either)

:P

what is dancehall

I think I would recognize dancehall

jacobbrett: I think their preferred term is "urban music"

"mostly crap" is also an appropriate choice

what is it if not rap?

grime

reosarevok: Yeah...I was scratching my head at "urban music". :P

(evolved from dancehall + UK garage, not from old school hip hop)

ok ,thats gener, but he's not "singing"? he's rapping? or is he "griming"

He's performing vocals :p

but give an exaple as dancehall

i think you'll find that those thins that *credit* "rap" aren't whaty people woudl "call" crap

He's sometimes called rapper, sometimes grime MC, sometimes vocalist

this is oppinion. i'd stil say it's pretty calcualte as if it's either called *rap* or the guy performing is said to be a "rapper"

Actually, for what I've seen, the English wiki tries to use "entertainer" rather than "rapper" for disambiguation

Probably because of it being controversial and ill-defined

but when peopel are al like "it's gtime! it'a not rap! it's as saying I'ts power metal! not "hard rock"!!

or whatever

what is rap?

rythm

reosarevok, couldn’t rap be considered as a broader term of some of these?

if we can answer the name of "what is rap" thewn we have the answer

SultS: yes! like "rock" and "metal"

rock is also an umbrella for metal

what about whistling... that's pretty unambiguous

or is it totally biguous?

:P

SultS: it "could", but it would feel similarly as when people call every electronic music "techno"

who does *that*? :P

I do .P

In Spain at least, 90% of people who don't listen to it

o.O

I would’ve guessed trance or club

club is a place :P

techno was the most popular style there in the whole 90s

i think everywhere

So it's the thing they associate to anythign electronic

something also with "metal" and "rock" or.. hey "classical"

CatCat: nah, I think trance was actually more popular in a lot of Europe

classical is a period actually

trance =/= techno

I wouldn't know that

The problem is that "rap" is pretty much an ill-defined style, kinda similar to adding "growling"

rave, trance, techno, etch etc

oh yea and "house" for soem reason

I mean, I do have albums with vocals credited as "growling" and "shrieking"

reosarevok: then thos shoudl be loowed

now since chuck billy isn't credited as "grwoling" then it's "vocals " for him

i ahve no problem with that

we cansimply state that this "assinine" way of doing it is to simply make it clear that we aren't dealign with oppinion but "facts"

so if it's credited as "x" it's x

reosarevok, but wouldn’t it make sense to you add “rap” in the same style as “lead”, as in having more specific options?

man, we can't be worse than discogs

I am not sure, for the reason stated

"lead" exists as compared with a "background" - it's a different kind of categorisation