17:28 PM
hawke_
CallerNo6: Part of it is that the formatting is just ridiculously complicated
2012-04-24 11552, 2012
17:29 PM
CallerNo6
Which is why picard scripts should be doing the formatting.
2012-04-24 11538, 2012
17:30 PM
hawke_
CallerNo6: And all the bits should be in separate fields?
2012-04-24 11543, 2012
17:30 PM
CallerNo6
yes
2012-04-24 11550, 2012
17:30 PM
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17:30 PM
CallerNo6
A schema in a schema
2012-04-24 11527, 2012
17:34 PM
hawke_
Could work, though most of that stuff ends up being attributes of the work more than the recording or track
2012-04-24 11517, 2012
17:36 PM
CallerNo6
true
2012-04-24 11504, 2012
17:37 PM
hawke_
So you still need a standard for how to put it into the recording disambiguation or title or whatever
2012-04-24 11545, 2012
17:37 PM
hawke_
unless you want to [untitled] most of ’em.
2012-04-24 11525, 2012
17:44 PM
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17:46 PM
CallerNo6
My starting point is the assumption that the way we do classical titles is barely better than using the annotation field.
2012-04-24 11502, 2012
17:49 PM
hawke_
It’s much better than that simply because it’s searched by default
2012-04-24 11527, 2012
17:49 PM
CallerNo6
right, well, what I mean is that it's structured data crammed into a text field.
2012-04-24 11536, 2012
17:49 PM
hawke_
And the CSG semi-“standard” naming format lets us synthesize titles
2012-04-24 11518, 2012
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19:15 PM
adhawkins
When translating, is there any way of finding out what context a string is used in?
2012-04-24 11559, 2012
19:15 PM
adhawkins
For example "(unknown)"
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19:20 PM
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19:21 PM
nikki
hm. if you click the details tab, it'll tell you which files it's used in. right now that's the only thing there is :/
2012-04-24 11528, 2012
19:21 PM
adhawkins
Yeah, I get the file list if I download the po.
2012-04-24 11534, 2012
19:21 PM
adhawkins
Not necessarily helpful.
2012-04-24 11502, 2012
19:25 PM
nikki
well, you can always ask me for more info. not ideal, I know :/
2012-04-24 11556, 2012
19:31 PM
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19:33 PM
adhawkins
Yeah ok. Might be doing that for 4200 of the 4500 strings though :)
2012-04-24 11539, 2012
19:38 PM
kepstin-laptop
adhawkins: what language are you translating into?
2012-04-24 11517, 2012
19:39 PM
kepstin-laptop is tempted to do one for canadian english ;)
2012-04-24 11523, 2012
19:39 PM
adhawkins
Welsh :)
2012-04-24 11543, 2012
19:44 PM
reosarevok
adhawkins: we'll need a British English one too at some point, although I guess nikki is willing to do that one :p
2012-04-24 11507, 2012
19:45 PM
adhawkins
That shouldn't be too hard I don't suppose
2012-04-24 11510, 2012
19:45 PM
adhawkins
s/z/s/ :D
2012-04-24 11539, 2012
19:45 PM
kepstin-laptop
s/es/se/
2012-04-24 11550, 2012
19:45 PM
kepstin-laptop
and throw in an s/o/ou/ :)
2012-04-24 11552, 2012
19:45 PM
adhawkins
I doubt we'll have to correct the abominal spelling of aluminium
2012-04-24 11558, 2012
19:46 PM
nikki
reosarevok: of course I'm planning to do british english :P
2012-04-24 11518, 2012
19:47 PM
nikki is longing to get rid of "catalog" :P
2012-04-24 11534, 2012
19:47 PM
reosarevok
"aluminum", srsly?
2012-04-24 11540, 2012
19:47 PM
reosarevok shakes his head at Americans
2012-04-24 11509, 2012
19:48 PM
adhawkins grins
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19:50 PM
nikki
I was planning to wait though, 'cause most of the strings will be the same so I'd rather avoid having to keep updating it over the summer
2012-04-24 11526, 2012
19:51 PM
warp
s/am/amme/
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19:53 PM
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19:53 PM
reosarevok
warp: you mean Americans say "Jean-Claude Van Dam"?
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19:53 PM
reosarevok hides
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19:54 PM
adhawkins
Right, enough.
2012-04-24 11548, 2012
19:54 PM
adhawkins
Night all, speak soon
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19:54 PM
reosarevok
Night
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19:54 PM
reosarevok goes too
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19:54 PM
adhawkins waves
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19:57 PM
CatCat
Wizzcat: \o/
2012-04-24 11554, 2012
20:00 PM
hawke_
I’m sorry, I can’t understand anyone in here, you’re all writing British english and I’m American.
2012-04-24 11512, 2012
20:01 PM
hawke_
Can we add a translate function to MBChatLogger?
2012-04-24 11530, 2012
20:01 PM
hawke_
So it can say “color” every time somone says “colour”
2012-04-24 11532, 2012
20:01 PM
hawke_
*someone
2012-04-24 11535, 2012
20:01 PM
CatCat
RAGE TO THE MAX
2012-04-24 11544, 2012
20:01 PM
CatCat
ok so i try creating a transifex account
2012-04-24 11550, 2012
20:01 PM
CatCat
"this email is already in use"
2012-04-24 11553, 2012
20:01 PM
CatCat
okidoki
2012-04-24 11532, 2012
20:02 PM
CatCat
try singign up "your acount has bee ndisabeled check your email for a activation thingy" ok nothing happens
2012-04-24 11539, 2012
20:02 PM
CatCat
try requestign new password
2012-04-24 11550, 2012
20:02 PM
CatCat
"That e-mail address doesn't have an associated user account. Are you sure you've registered?"
2012-04-24 11557, 2012
20:02 PM
CatCat
AAAAAAARRRRGGGWTFFFF?
2012-04-24 11527, 2012
20:04 PM
CatCat
godalso i hate pages that keep refreshing so it goes from O to X in the toolbar constantly
2012-04-24 11501, 2012
20:15 PM
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20:21 PM
CatCat
i found the email ,but for some reason it's from 2011 mai? it doesn't work
2012-04-24 11533, 2012
20:21 PM
CatCat
can someone help me contact these guys
2012-04-24 11509, 2012
20:27 PM
nikki
they apparently have a channel on this server (#transifex), you could try asking there
2012-04-24 11525, 2012
20:28 PM
CatCat
dang
2012-04-24 11541, 2012
20:28 PM
CatCat
#transifex you say?
2012-04-24 11558, 2012
20:29 PM
nikki
that's what google suggests
2012-04-24 11510, 2012
20:30 PM
CatCat
thanks nikki
2012-04-24 11548, 2012
20:31 PM
CatCat
well I asked the q, so I'll see what they say
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21:21 PM
CatCat
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21:24 PM
CallerNo6
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21:25 PM
CallerNo6
(arguably)
2012-04-24 11530, 2012
21:26 PM
CallerNo6
(maybe an AC join phrase "cadenza: "?)
2012-04-24 11523, 2012
21:27 PM
hawke_2
Hmm, makes some sense.
2012-04-24 11539, 2012
21:27 PM
hawke_2
I seem to recall that we wanted to get away from putting roles in the AC though
2012-04-24 11543, 2012
21:27 PM
hawke_2
leave that for the ARs.
2012-04-24 11535, 2012
21:28 PM
hawke_2
(So “Ludwig Van Beethoven, Fritz Kriesler” would make more sense)
2012-04-24 11536, 2012
21:28 PM
CallerNo6
that makes sense. I just worry about the ambiguity between "co-composed" vs. "part composed by x, and part by y"
2012-04-24 11536, 2012
21:29 PM
hawke_2
Right
2012-04-24 11536, 2012
21:29 PM
CallerNo6
but since that would be clear by linking the two works, I guess it doesn't matter
2012-04-24 11544, 2012
21:29 PM
hawke_2
I was going to suggest that.
2012-04-24 11501, 2012
21:30 PM
hawke_2
Though it’s hard to say whether a composition-with-cadenza is two works
2012-04-24 11540, 2012
21:30 PM
hawke_2
(as opposed to a work derived from the composition alone.
2012-04-24 11542, 2012
21:30 PM
CallerNo6
I guess that's not settled. In my mind, a written/composed cadenza is a second work. An improvised on, I dunno.
2012-04-24 11524, 2012
21:34 PM
hawke_2
I think an improvised one would also be a second work
2012-04-24 11500, 2012
21:35 PM
hawke_2
Since someone else could come along and play that improvisation (it would no longer be improvised, of course)
2012-04-24 11544, 2012
21:35 PM
CallerNo6
Well, that's like jazz then. Every performance would become a new work.
2012-04-24 11522, 2012
21:36 PM
CallerNo6
I prefer to think that improvisation can be used as a compositional tool (artist intent) but is generally an aspect of performance.
2012-04-24 11545, 2012
21:37 PM
CallerNo6
but that's just my mind trying to impose order using duct tape and chewing gum
2012-04-24 11502, 2012
21:39 PM
hawke_2
hehe
2012-04-24 11524, 2012
21:39 PM
nikki
arrrrgh
2012-04-24 11527, 2012
21:39 PM
hawke_2
It would help if work creation were simpler
2012-04-24 11539, 2012
21:39 PM
nikki
who the fuck at youtube thought autoplaying when you load the page was a good fucking idea
2012-04-24 11554, 2012
21:39 PM
CallerNo6
nikki +1
2012-04-24 11508, 2012
21:40 PM
hawke_2
and not something where you had to think about whether something deserved to be a work.
2012-04-24 11511, 2012
21:40 PM
hawke_2
nikki: +1
2012-04-24 11530, 2012
21:43 PM
nikki
I had the volume turned right up because I was watching a really quiet video. then osx crashed. so I restarted, it reopened all my windows (despite me repeatedly telling to stop doing that) and then firefox reopened like 10 different youtube pages and youtube was like OH YEAH *plays all of them at full volume simultaneously*
2012-04-24 11557, 2012
21:43 PM
nikki
and if I hadn't been firmly sat in my chair, I think I would have fallen off :P
2012-04-24 11513, 2012
21:44 PM
CallerNo6
nikki, flashblock is (well, was) my friend
2012-04-24 11529, 2012
21:44 PM
ianmcorvidae
I always use chromium's click-to-play feature
2012-04-24 11534, 2012
21:44 PM
ianmcorvidae
for flash and java both
2012-04-24 11539, 2012
21:44 PM
ianmcorvidae
bonus: way more secure, also :P
2012-04-24 11555, 2012
21:44 PM
nikki
I only use firefox for flash stuff anyway :P
2012-04-24 11507, 2012
21:45 PM
nikki
foxyproxy <3
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21:45 PM
CatCat
<3 youtubeler script
2012-04-24 11559, 2012
21:45 PM
CatCat
stops that autoplay bullshit
2012-04-24 11501, 2012
21:47 PM
nikki
do you happen to have a link?
2012-04-24 11557, 2012
21:55 PM
CatCat
hmm hang on a sec i'll find it
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CatCat
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21:59 PM
ianweller
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21:59 PM
ianweller
"Normally editors would be urged to just redo them all."
2012-04-24 11509, 2012
22:00 PM
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22:31 PM
CallerNo6
ianweller, maybe a better way to put it is that editors are encouraged to fix issues in a way that is easy on the open edit queue and on voters.
2012-04-24 11513, 2012
22:32 PM
ianweller
sure.
2012-04-24 11536, 2012
22:32 PM
CallerNo6 was never very good at putting a positive spin on things. oh well.
2012-04-24 11504, 2012
22:37 PM
hawke_2
Why does demono think that this edit passing would cause a further edit to it, to fail?
2012-04-24 11524, 2012
22:37 PM
hawke_2
“when this edit assumingly passes since there are no votes against it, then it would cause the other edit to fail.”
2012-04-24 11507, 2012
22:38 PM
ianweller
that's what i wondered too.
2012-04-24 11512, 2012
22:38 PM
ianweller
but my head hurt too much to respond
2012-04-24 11546, 2012
22:38 PM
hawke_2
Another better way to put it is “Our edit system sucks at the moment” :-D
2012-04-24 11508, 2012
22:39 PM
ianweller
how would you resolve it -- make it so you can edit edits?
2012-04-24 11512, 2012
22:39 PM
hawke_2
“…and there are bigger fish to fry than fixing that, so don’t hold your breath”
2012-04-24 11526, 2012
22:39 PM
hawke_2
approximately
2012-04-24 11531, 2012
22:40 PM
nikki
you can make edits to an add release edit
2012-04-24 11548, 2012
22:40 PM
hawke_2
How I would like to see it done, and how it is likely to be done, are not the same though. :-)
2012-04-24 11553, 2012
22:40 PM
nikki
but if you want to make edits to an edit edit, you need to cancel it and redo it, or wait until it hopefully passes
2012-04-24 11517, 2012
22:41 PM
ianweller
the main reason i haven't re-edited the release is because i disagree with him :) and so i wanted it to go to a separate vote
2012-04-24 11545, 2012
22:41 PM
ianweller
which may not be the right answer, but seemed right in my head at the time
2012-04-24 11501, 2012
22:42 PM
hawke_2
I find it slightly unreasonable for people to say that kind of thing anyway — if he wants it changed he should fix it himself.
2012-04-24 11507, 2012
22:42 PM
hawke_2
not block your edits
2012-04-24 11513, 2012
22:42 PM
ianweller
yeah.
2012-04-24 11517, 2012
22:42 PM
ianweller
fortunately he didn't actively block my edits
2012-04-24 11521, 2012
22:42 PM
hawke_2
Right
