17:37 PM
hawke_1
The advantage of adding the work is that someone doesn’t have to do it later
17:37 PM
the disadvantage is that it would be easy for someone else to link to it incorrectly
17:38 PM
And then add a wrong composer, and bang you have a mislinked recording
17:41 PM
reosarevok
Yeah...
17:41 PM
hawke_1
I’d rather have an unlinked recording than a mislinked recording
17:41 PM
on the other hand
17:42 PM
Is anyone ever likely to find the composer of this song?
17:42 PM
And if not, is it bad that the recording stay unlinked forever?
18:13 PM
reosarevok
hawke_1: I'd argue it's not especially terrible
18:14 PM
(and if we change our mind later, it can be created then)
18:15 PM
hawke_1
indeed.
18:17 PM
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18:25 PM
How did they manage to make ISWCnet suck so badly?
18:28 PM
CatCat agrees on the replace cover art edit
18:29 PM
CatCat
i keep wanting to repalce coverart that's better
18:29 PM
like "reupload to this
18:30 PM
CallerNo6
do we have cover art accepted terms, like "inside left" for an open CD case? or "inside right, under disc"?
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18:33 PM
CallerNo6 reads http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_disc_packaging
18:33 PM
hawke_1
CallerNo6: wouldn’t “inside left” be “booklet back cover”?
18:33 PM
(on a CD)
18:33 PM
(standard jewel case)
18:34 PM
I think the under-disc thing there was talk of it being called “tray”
18:34 PM
CallerNo6
hawke_1: for a jewel case, yeah
18:34 PM
reosarevok
hawke_1: it could be worse - could be the Spanish one
18:34 PM
hawke_1
reosarevok: ?
18:34 PM
reosarevok
At least ISWCnet indicates composer/author/arranger
18:34 PM
CallerNo6
"tray" sounds good to me
18:34 PM
hawke_1
oh
18:35 PM
the spanish ISWC-like
18:35 PM
reosarevok
The Spanish one has "creator"
18:35 PM
nikki
CallerNo6: there isn't a single accepted term for the tray/inside tray/inner tray/back of back, which is why we don't yet have a type for it
18:36 PM
CallerNo6
sapir-whorf is right after all!
18:36 PM
okay, not really
18:36 PM
nikki
18:36 PM
CallerNo6
thanks, all
18:37 PM
hawke_1
reosarevok: It might also help if these release I am working with were not Argentinian and from pre-1930
18:37 PM
(or so)
18:37 PM
nikki
18:38 PM
reosarevok
Probably :p
18:38 PM
hawke_1 votes for both of those
18:38 PM
I also wonder why the hell some tracks from an album are on iswcnet and others are not, if they all are in the Spanish one
18:39 PM
nikki
reosarevok: 2089
18:39 PM
reosarevok
... for the exec producer thing?
18:39 PM
nikki
yes
18:39 PM
reosarevok cries inside
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roosoft_
what's the most reliable technique to replicate and keep a musicbrainz database up to date on ubuntu 11.10 and postgresql 9.1?
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19:08 PM
reosarevok
...
19:09 PM
EVIL WALKS ALBUM VERSION
19:09 PM
And AUAP08100031 gives EVIL WALKS
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(in SCPP)
19:09 PM
Fishy thing is fishy
19:14 PM
hawke_1
19:18 PM
reosarevok
Apparently, that "An artist that is used in the new artist credits has been deleted" :p
19:18 PM
Why that happened while there were pending edits? No idea
19:18 PM
hawke_1
yeah, but the artist, as far as I can tell, still exists
19:18 PM
19:19 PM
reosarevok
...
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19:20 PM
I assume it didn't move through the merge
19:20 PM
(note it was using the lowercase one)
19:20 PM
hawke_1
That happened after the “edit AC” though
19:20 PM
reosarevok
Sure
19:21 PM
But applied before it
19:21 PM
(3 votes)
19:21 PM
hawke_1
No, look at the close date
19:21 PM
oh wait
19:21 PM
heh
19:21 PM
reosarevok
:)
19:21 PM
hawke_1
ocharles: Can we have our new edit system yet?
19:22 PM
reosarevok
hawke_1: I think we can, as long as you donate enough money to MB to hire a dev for 3 months or so while Ollie works only on it :p
19:23 PM
hawke_1
19:26 PM
reosarevok
It's just you
19:26 PM
It should all exist, just not wrongly set as credits for VA :D
19:27 PM
hawke_1
If it weren’t ACs for VA, then it wouldn’t exist there. :-p
19:28 PM
reosarevok
Anyway, I fixed a few a couple weeks ago, and so did CatCat
19:28 PM
But it's just too much
19:29 PM
hawke_1
Yep
19:30 PM
musicbrainz major project #73
19:32 PM
reosarevok
Speaking of which, I should ask nikki to make a Mozart list
19:32 PM
hawke_1
Do we have work art yet? ;-)
19:32 PM
reosarevok
Kinda :p
19:32 PM
hawke_1
?
19:32 PM
reosarevok
I mean, we have IMSLP links
19:32 PM
So, scores - work art!
19:33 PM
hawke_1
hmm
19:33 PM
19:34 PM
reosarevok
Isn't that basically a score's cover?
19:34 PM
hawke_1
Yes, I believe so.
19:35 PM
reosarevok
So, same thing! :)
19:35 PM
But yeah, having the cover for a score show would be nice
19:35 PM
hawke_1
Doesn’t help much now though
19:35 PM
reosarevok
Well, it helps if you want to play it :p
19:35 PM
(I mean, what would you use work-art for?)
19:36 PM
hawke_1
I would use it for score covers. :-)
19:36 PM
reosarevok
I mean, what benefit would that give
19:37 PM
(since there are dozens of different score covers, too)
19:37 PM
hawke_1
Evidence for credits, for one.
19:37 PM
reosarevok
That doesn't make credits correct
19:37 PM
hawke_1
Neither does release cover art, but it’s still helpful
19:37 PM
reosarevok
(see all the "Bach" stuff no longer by Bach)
19:38 PM
(if I'm slow, it's cause I'm making sandwiches and watching coursera videos)
19:39 PM
hawke_1
19:41 PM
reosarevok
heh
19:41 PM
liftarn's crusade against game companies again?
19:42 PM
hawke_1
I guess so.
19:44 PM
reosarevok is too tired to argue with him
19:44 PM
reosarevok
It's ridiculous
19:44 PM
CallerNo6
How does an artist get promoted (demoted) to a SPA?
19:45 PM
The annotation for Nintendo says to use it as a SPA (and I'd expect it to be a subset of [unknown]) but it's not on the official SPA page.
19:46 PM
CallerNo6 checks (maybe it was before the big SPA purge)
19:46 PM
dubwai
19:46 PM
reosarevok
dubwai: feat goes always to artist
19:47 PM
(now you tell me this is [unknown] :p)
19:47 PM
dubwai
ROFL
19:47 PM
no
19:47 PM
i know artist
19:47 PM
reosarevok
Then, yeah - to artist is the way to go :)
19:49 PM
CallerNo6 isn't sure what this meant http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/?title=Style/Unknown_and_untitled/Special_purpose_artist&oldid=28483#Collection_artists
19:50 PM
It's WE HATE THIS MOVE ALL TO COMPOSERS
19:50 PM
Which IMO doesn't make sense anymore now that we have works
19:50 PM
CallerNo6
did it mean that these were /unofficially/ treated as subsets of unknown until we know?
19:51 PM
Or did it mean that they should be moved to [unknown] immediately?
19:51 PM
reosarevok
It says "informal"
19:51 PM
So it basically means "blah blah blah can't hear you"
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:)
19:52 PM
CallerNo6
/ word/
19:53 PM
dubwai
reosarevok: also capitlized 10 track on my cover?
19:53 PM
reosarevok
Probably, yes
19:54 PM
Seems to be capitalised because they wanted it to be (since the rest are all normal)
19:54 PM
CallerNo6
what I'm getting at is, maybe somebody (me) should change the annotation for Nintendo
19:54 PM
since it's not really a SPA
19:56 PM
hawke_1: I gather you'd rather use Nintendo the way we use [Disney]?
19:56 PM
(until better info is found)
19:57 PM
hawke_1
CallerNo6: Maybe?
19:57 PM
I have no problem with using the specific composer if we know it
19:57 PM
reosarevok
For release credits, I might have
19:57 PM
hawke_1
but Nintendo is more useful information than [unknown] in the meantime
19:57 PM
reosarevok
(if what it says is "Nintendo")
19:57 PM
hawke_1
reosarevok: Ture
19:58 PM
*true
19:58 PM
reosarevok
And in any case, yeah
19:58 PM
It's kinda idiotic to do the move to [unknown]
19:59 PM
With Nintendo at least we can find them all together
19:59 PM
Even if we didn't want to keep them like that
