Funny that my google translated text from Danish is clearer than your original Englis text :p
2012-05-10 13132, 2012
hawke_2
given that he remained through the present
2012-05-10 13135, 2012
reosarevok
*English even
2012-05-10 13105, 2012
reosarevok
(admittedly that's not the case for all the text)
2012-05-10 13102, 2012
reosarevok
heh
2012-05-10 13107, 2012
reosarevok
Composers in residence next? :p
2012-05-10 13134, 2012
reosarevok
(grr, I really want to be able to add instruments to orchestra players now :( )
2012-05-10 13151, 2012
kepstin-work
maybe we should just go all-out and support custom text attributes on ARs :)
2012-05-10 13139, 2012
hawke_2
reosarevok: if I do both 'principal' and 'guest', that makes it 'principal guest conductor', right?
2012-05-10 13143, 2012
reosarevok
Yes
2012-05-10 13151, 2012
reosarevok
(and guest is allowed with others, unlike the rest)
2012-05-10 13133, 2012
reosarevok
kepstin-work: I would want this to be db-data though
2012-05-10 13138, 2012
reosarevok
As in, not free text
2012-05-10 13109, 2012
hawke_2
semi-free (i.e. free with suggestions?)
2012-05-10 13136, 2012
hawke_2
hmm…is there any reason we couldn’t do a combination?
2012-05-10 13106, 2012
hawke_2
so you could choose the type from a predefined list and type in text that would change how it was displayed?
2012-05-10 13111, 2012
kepstin-work notes that free-text stuff makes it untranslatable, as well
2012-05-10 13115, 2012
hawke_2
similar to artist credits
2012-05-10 13141, 2012
kepstin-work
not that our current AR system is that friendly to translation right now...
2012-05-10 13109, 2012
reosarevok
Why?
2012-05-10 13117, 2012
reosarevok
For most languages, it's not specially bad
2012-05-10 13139, 2012
reosarevok
(it will feel forced in some, but it's not terrible)
2012-05-10 13140, 2012
kepstin-work
hmm, I suppose the strings do let you alter the locations of where things are subbed in, eh.
2012-05-10 13121, 2012
reosarevok
You mean where to put attributes etc? Then yes
2012-05-10 13144, 2012
reosarevok
Now, instruments are going to be a pain
2012-05-10 13104, 2012
reosarevok realises in many languages, "played X" is in a different case from just "X"
2012-05-10 13121, 2012
reosarevok hopes ianmcorvidae and nikki have thought of this kind of stuff :)
2012-05-10 13100, 2012
ianmcorvidae
heh
2012-05-10 13101, 2012
ianmcorvidae
well
2012-05-10 13110, 2012
ianmcorvidae
if nothing else, I can pester you to enter tickets ;)
2012-05-10 13135, 2012
reosarevok
Is it even possible to do that with our current system though?
2012-05-10 13141, 2012
kepstin-work
I still want the multiple-attribute ARs (e.g. instruments, vocals) split into multiple ARs
2012-05-10 13149, 2012
reosarevok
heh
2012-05-10 13155, 2012
kepstin-work
to make the entire UI more consistent.
2012-05-10 13108, 2012
ianmcorvidae
yes, agreed
2012-05-10 13109, 2012
reosarevok
Not always!
2012-05-10 13126, 2012
kepstin-work accidentally made someone perform "lead vocals", "background vocals", and "lead and background vocals" a couple days ago.
2012-05-10 13139, 2012
reosarevok
(if we add them to members, it'd be a pain to have "member, vocals", "member, guitar" and "member, keyboards" :p
2012-05-10 13140, 2012
reosarevok
)
2012-05-10 13105, 2012
hawke_2
+1 kepstin-work
2012-05-10 13118, 2012
kepstin-work
alternately, some way of magically merging them in the database would work just as well
2012-05-10 13101, 2012
kepstin-work
but that would be annoying, because adding a new instrument performance, for example, wouldn't show up immediately.
2012-05-10 13114, 2012
hawke_2
kepstin-work: it could…
2012-05-10 13125, 2012
hawke_2
kepstin-work: Its appearance would just change after awhile
2012-05-10 13146, 2012
hawke_2
i.e. show it as it is now, and then have an automatic process merge them daily or however often
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kepstin-work
well, the internal implementation doesn't matter, as long as all of them can be edited separately and displayed merged.
2012-05-10 13137, 2012
kepstin-work
(i.e. removing an attribute from an AR should generate a 'remove artist played instrument on recording' edit)
2012-05-10 13139, 2012
kepstin-work
that gets a bit more tricky, because right now we can support a single recording having both "performed vocals on" and "performed background vocals on" - which /can't/ be merged without information loss.
2012-05-10 13102, 2012
kepstin-work
it could be displayed as "performed vocals and background vocals" tho, I guess?
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hawke_2
Isn’t that redundant?
2012-05-10 13134, 2012
hawke_2
If you performed background vocals, you performed vocals
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kepstin-work
not really.
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kepstin-work
could mean "performed background vocals and some other vocal type not currently in musicbrainz"
2012-05-10 13157, 2012
hawke_2
Let me know how someone can perform background vocals without performing vocals. ;-)
2012-05-10 13106, 2012
reosarevok
kepstin-work: that'd be "other" though :p
2012-05-10 13119, 2012
reosarevok
(although admittedly, I'm not going to use "other" for all rapping)
2012-05-10 13125, 2012
brianfreud
Ok, here's a fun one for you... A release consisting of the music to a podcast. (bumpers, etc) Is that a podcast soundtrack, or just an album?
2012-05-10 13137, 2012
kepstin-work
brianfreud: I'd say soundtrack.
2012-05-10 13150, 2012
hawke_2
brianfreud: Soundtrack album.
2012-05-10 13156, 2012
brianfreud
me too, it just feels wierd somehow to even consider a podcast having a soundtrack :P
2012-05-10 13106, 2012
kepstin-work
hawke_2: we don't have that yet ;)
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hawke_2
kepstin-work: Soon though, I think?
2012-05-10 13138, 2012
hawke_2
Anyway, it’s clearly soundtrack.
2012-05-10 13139, 2012
kepstin-work
hawke_2: one more week
2012-05-10 13104, 2012
kepstin-work has a lot of soundtrack singles to reclassify :)
2012-05-10 13114, 2012
reosarevok
brianfreud: I've seen soundtracks to books...
2012-05-10 13133, 2012
hawke_2
I have a soundtrack to a boardgame. :-)
2012-05-10 13146, 2012
kepstin-work
hmm. does our 'soundtrack' category also include the sort of 'music inspired by' releases?
2012-05-10 13101, 2012
hawke_2
All conductors have been added to the Boston Pops Orchestra, with suboptimal credits both tagged and in the annotations.
2012-05-10 13114, 2012
brianfreud
I've always said no to that one kepstin-work when I've entered them
2012-05-10 13115, 2012
reosarevok
kepstin-work: who knows
2012-05-10 13119, 2012
reosarevok
I'd say no
2012-05-10 13128, 2012
reosarevok
But it's ill-defined, as all others
2012-05-10 13146, 2012
hawke_2
kepstin-work: I would say yes, at least if it's “from and inspired by”
billy_ran_away: I know. Just pointing it out. Either interpretation is probably fine./
2012-05-10 13102, 2012
billy_ran_away
hawke_2: Oh okay cool
2012-05-10 13121, 2012
billy_ran_away
hawke_2: Yea, I like the other way better, Futurecop!: The Movie OST
2012-05-10 13133, 2012
billy_ran_away
hawke_2: But I felt like it should just match iTunes and Amazon
2012-05-10 13117, 2012
billy_ran_away
Consider that a lot of people use those two sources for tagging, so if they switch to or from MB it'd make it easier to keep it consistent...
2012-05-10 13120, 2012
hawke_2
billy_ran_away: usually “Artist Intent” trumps everything, so if you find evidence that the artist intended it that way, it’s more important. Anyway, release looks just fine
2012-05-10 13121, 2012
billy_ran_away
That was my thought anyway
2012-05-10 13157, 2012
billy_ran_away
hawke_2: Fair enough
2012-05-10 13105, 2012
billy_ran_away
hawke_2: Thanks for input guys
2012-05-10 13114, 2012
billy_ran_away
Err that last message was meant for everyone : )
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reosarevok
:)
2012-05-10 13148, 2012
Mineo
reosarevok: is the description for the guest attribute of the conductor relationship the same as for guest everywhere else? it's looking odd, talking about "the band", not "the orchestra"
2012-05-10 13159, 2012
reosarevok
Mineo: it is
2012-05-10 13102, 2012
reosarevok
And I know
2012-05-10 13131, 2012
reosarevok
But it can't be personalised for each rel, and I wanted to add a phrase for orchestras but nikki told me there's a crash there and it won't let me
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reosarevok tries anyway
2012-05-10 13147, 2012
reosarevok
In case it's been fixed
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reosarevok
Caught exception in MusicBrainz::Server::Controller::Relationship::LinkType->edit "Can't call method "id" without a package or object reference at lib/MusicBrainz/Server/Data/LinkType.pm line 88.""
