I can’t see how to frame it as a style decision until the schema change happened.
once that’s done you could certainly ask style about moving one from primary to secondary type, I guess
reosarevok
I mean, the "release groups should be able to have several types"
That's one thing I could see as somehow style-ish
But really, would anyone have disagreed?
hawke_1
It’s the style list, so yes.
reosarevok
heh
jesus2099
hawke reosarevok so you agree this kind of complete artist page change doesn’t need any discussion that the thousands of discographies can be broken just like this all of a sudden without any comments from users ?
hawke_1
jesus2099: I don’t think it’s broken, it’s just different.
jesus2099
and that small FIX must go through endless bureaucratic shit never ending :/
when it is different it is broken if you take the older look as a reference
hawke_1
jesus2099: The only difference that you’re seeing is that compilation is no longer a primary type
jesus2099
it’s a regression stuff… some edits have to come to fix that etc.
reosarevok
There's no regression there
jesus2099
no I see now official discography mixed with shot
torn appart
reosarevok
As I said, if mini-album should be under album, then it should have been under album earlier
jesus2099
yea
reosarevok
And before you would have seen bootleg albums under Album too
jesus2099
no
reosarevok
(since that was never hidden)
hawke_1
yes.
jesus2099
it’s bootleg compilation
hawke_1
Not all bootlegs are compilations
jesus2099
before the compilation were not in ALBUM this is a major change
hawke_1
compilation= “previously released material”
reosarevok
Bootleg albums would be mixed with official albums, bootleg lives with official lives, bootleg comps with official comps
(there are bootlegs of all those, and I agree all of them should be off by default)
hawke_1
now, a lot of bootlegs are live, so they were not generally on the front page
reosarevok
(and should have been before, too)
jesus2099
hawke_1: « compilation= “previously released material” » this is why it should not be in [original] albums
hawke_1: this is why at least some discussion was needed
hawke_1
and bands only get bootlegs released once they become popular, so they tend not to be at the top
reosarevok
hawke_1: I fear to look at the Grateful Dead right now, heh
hawke_1
Pink floyd is looking pretty good, for example. They’re a very popular bootleg artist.
(on cd in 1967, marked as compilation when none of it is otherwise released)
reosarevok will also point that the previous list of RG Type descriptions didn't go through style if I'm not mistaken
reosarevok
(so, albums being "generally new material" wasn't actually decided there)
reosarevok also points at http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Reosarevok/RG_Type to see if people agree with the changes there - also, I need better example than Oldfield's. Anyone knows of a mainstream artist that re-recorded his greatest hits for an album?
(since Oldfield's is a re-recording of one album, not a best of)
CatCat
woa, reosarevok i'm older than you o_O
jesus2099
can eventually someone restore the uservoice archive ? many stuffs are stuck in that dumped archive
CatCat: I think it's there already, isn't it? ask hawke_1 anyway
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If not, then yes, you can
Add it to the list with quenya and sindarin
hawke_1
It's in the languages list
not sure about scripts
reosarevok
Oh, script
Sorry
reosarevok doesn't know about that one
CatCat: do I look so old? :p
(I mean, you do look younger than you are, but I didn't think I looked so old :( )
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hawke_1: I'd say so
Maybe with some comment?
hawke_1
reosarevok: I can’t think of a comment that doesn’t state the obvious
reosarevok
(also, "picture disc"? for a CD? wtf)
hawke_1
like “this is the case with a number sticker on the front”
reosarevok
Oh
So it's not a special edition of it
Like, "n copies are numbered, the rest are not"
jesus2099
CatCat: what did you get for your official official discography you requested ? I did not understand it when yo usaid that for Queen until now I just see this artist page complete overhaul out of the blue that breaks “my” artists discographyies
in chat yesterday you were talking about official official. only now I get it
v6lur
ugh, bootlegs and best-ofs among regular albums...
just... ugh.
CatCat
honestly I write better english than norwegian, since I use it 10² times more
(bootlegs were among regular lives earlier, though, which was pretty much as bad)
(if you mean live bootlegs)
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CatCat
[00:09] reosarevokhawke_: my point is that a native who is actually pretty crap at the language will usually be able to do "that seems wrong" even if he can't say "it should be this"
this in norwegian
I see it's wrong.. can't point out what's right
:P
jesus2099
v6lur: yeah !
BIG UGH !
and no preliminary concertation
at least none I’ve heard of coming here everyday
v6lur
reosarevok: i meant live bootlegs, yeah... anyway that bugged me less, as i don't usually care as much for live stuff as studio albums/EPs/singles
reosarevok
v6lur, agreed, but this will probably have the nice effect of hiding them instead of being like "nevermind, nobody looks at live stuff..."
:p
(I just hope it'll happen in next release, but I guess it will)
I would like to keep the album - EP - single separation, but I wouldn't mind having that as an option too
(so you could switch from "category view" to "chronology view", so to say
)
jesus2099
anyway now in releases tab we see everything like this way
v6lur
in a sentence, why was this even done so... suddenly? a shock therapy to get loads of feedback on how to improve the display? :P
jesus2099
v6lur: ++++
it’s what I try to understand
reosarevok
v6lur: because schema change restrictions meant now or in October, and we felt the benefits of 5 months of it were bigger than the annoyance of one or two weeks of messy display
(well, that's what I think anyway, not that the decision was specifically mine)
Mineo_
didn't some people talk about the availability of quenya in the language selection yesterday? what was the result of that?
reosarevok
Mineo: we need to ask a dev to allow them and kick the cache, I think
