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      • tri_marianaaf
      • 2012-07-04 18621, 2012

      • CatCat
        but almost always, tri_marianaaf, whne the release you see is the wrong order of tracks, then ti's you got the wrong version, not that the release is wrong :)
      • 2012-07-04 18630, 2012

      • tri_marianaaf
      • 2012-07-04 18602, 2012

      • CatCat
        probably there are two versions with differntorder of tracks. it happens all the time with releases
      • 2012-07-04 18609, 2012

      • CatCat
        like in us/uk or japan or eu
      • 2012-07-04 18620, 2012

      • CatCat
        same "release" differnt order on the tracks +- track or bonus
      • 2012-07-04 18638, 2012

      • tri_marianaaf
        but in amazon there's the wrong tracklist and in the same link you can see the back cover so I'm guessing it«'s the same release but with track order error (on amazon)
      • 2012-07-04 18621, 2012

      • tri_marianaaf
        (same barcode too)
      • 2012-07-04 18625, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        odd that the amz tracklist doesn't match the back cover
      • 2012-07-04 18630, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        but whatever, at least it's legit
      • 2012-07-04 18634, 2012

      • CatCat
        what do yo ueman "wrong trackorder" wrong accordign to what? the link? thne change the link, worng accordign to their backcover ? then we can't do anything :)
      • 2012-07-04 18617, 2012

      • CatCat
        they probably use the same image for bot versinos so one is right and one has the wrong image¨
      • 2012-07-04 18621, 2012

      • CatCat
        happens all the time
      • 2012-07-04 18616, 2012

      • CatCat
        hey wizz what is you oppinion on http://musicbrainz.org/edit/18127813
      • 2012-07-04 18633, 2012

      • CatCat
        du mener mest sansynlig det samem som "nei" velgerne :/ men samme da()
      • 2012-07-04 18636, 2012

      • CatCat
        vlere votes!
      • 2012-07-04 18639, 2012

      • CatCat
        flere*
      • 2012-07-04 18624, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        I'm leaning towards no, don't really see the point in merging
      • 2012-07-04 18642, 2012

      • CatCat
        well my arguemnt is that with "artist credits" ther is no reason to have a multitude of "don't know/care/rubarb" this artist
      • 2012-07-04 18608, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        even though the credits will be kept, it still means future release adds will go to [anonymous] unless the editor explicitly sets an alias
      • 2012-07-04 18650, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        it's not like we have hundreds of these SPAs, there's a fairly small, defined set of them
      • 2012-07-04 18650, 2012

      • CatCat
        well peopel souldn't be addign this withotuh the artist s o the ditor voters soudl catch these
      • 2012-07-04 18603, 2012

      • CatCat
        hoesntly? they popper of som paddehatter
      • 2012-07-04 18617, 2012

      • CatCat
        there seems to be one each for every catagory of julemusik and hymns
      • 2012-07-04 18637, 2012

      • tri_marianaaf
        Wizzcat: i'll leave it like it is then, and leave the amazon link too
      • 2012-07-04 18644, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        hymns was merged into [religious music], so that's all good
      • 2012-07-04 18605, 2012

      • CatCat
        good
      • 2012-07-04 18619, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        tri_marianaaf: it'd be great if you add the sleeve scans from amz too, so people don't have to get confused later on
      • 2012-07-04 18623, 2012

      • CatCat
        but why is "religious music" away fro m"christmas music" and why are they not noth in "unknown"?
      • 2012-07-04 18657, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        because some people think the distinction is important?
      • 2012-07-04 18617, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        [classical music], now that is a terrible artist
      • 2012-07-04 18625, 2012

      • CatCat
        i accept that. but why now that we have artist credits, not use thme for that? also tags?
      • 2012-07-04 18633, 2012

      • CatCat
        yes
      • 2012-07-04 18656, 2012

      • tri_marianaaf
      • 2012-07-04 18608, 2012

      • CatCat
        instead of usign so much effort keeping these "thematic" SPA's work on findign the artist(s)!
      • 2012-07-04 18615, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        like I said, seperate entities are easier to use than aliases
      • 2012-07-04 18631, 2012

      • CatCat
        the point is they shouldn't be used, they shoudl be fixed
      • 2012-07-04 18646, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        I'd rather people didn't alias [15th century gregorian chant] to [unknown]
      • 2012-07-04 18655, 2012

      • CatCat
        why not?
      • 2012-07-04 18606, 2012

      • CatCat
        altought i'd rather have that on anon:)
      • 2012-07-04 18614, 2012

      • CatCat
        as anon is a defined thing
      • 2012-07-04 18630, 2012

      • CatCat
        nut trad could probably e merged into anon. with the artist credit
      • 2012-07-04 18631, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        tri_marianaaf: \o/ I love caa :)
      • 2012-07-04 18639, 2012

      • CatCat
        the CAA is the bomb of awesome
      • 2012-07-04 18605, 2012

      • tri_marianaaf
        :)
      • 2012-07-04 18624, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        CatCat: I actually strongly prefer keeping [traditional] separate, trad is very different from unknown
      • 2012-07-04 18631, 2012

      • CatCat
        i agree
      • 2012-07-04 18638, 2012

      • CatCat
        unknown =! anonymus
      • 2012-07-04 18655, 2012

      • CatCat
        trad =! unknown
      • 2012-07-04 18623, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        anyway, a lot of people have opinions on this, and it's in the guidelines, so on principle it should go through style, like with the previous SPA merges
      • 2012-07-04 18632, 2012

      • CatCat
        huh
      • 2012-07-04 18635, 2012

      • CatCat
        i guess i'm old
      • 2012-07-04 18646, 2012

      • CatCat remrber when we only had 3, no artist, unknown and trad
      • 2012-07-04 18605, 2012

      • CatCat
        i lamented whne clutcher2 made [gregorian]
      • 2012-07-04 18621, 2012

      • CatCat
        but that was merged back into ano n ithink
      • 2012-07-04 18622, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        [disney] is seriously the worst thing ever
      • 2012-07-04 18628, 2012

      • CatCat
        i honeslty thing we only need those 3
      • 2012-07-04 18632, 2012

      • CatCat
        YES
      • 2012-07-04 18650, 2012

      • CatCat
        aperhasp i picked the wrong one to start with :/
      • 2012-07-04 18624, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        I don't think anyone disagrees with removing it, but it really should be cleaned out first
      • 2012-07-04 18649, 2012

      • CatCat
        Wizzcat: i agree
      • 2012-07-04 18655, 2012

      • CatCat
        hmm perhasp.. CotM?
      • 2012-07-04 18628, 2012

      • CatCat
        but i need.. god i need help organising this, peopel always say what a GREAT and aWESOME idea it is, but when it comes down t oit. they don't edit a bit
      • 2012-07-04 18628, 2012

      • Freso
        CatCat: [trad] was merged into [anon] once already. Please never, ever, ever, *ever* do that again. D:
      • 2012-07-04 18646, 2012

      • CatCat
        Freso: yes i agree, i don't know what came over me whne i said that. it's wrtong :O
      • 2012-07-04 18610, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        CatCat: I'm not sure CotM really works, people want to do their own thing
      • 2012-07-04 18615, 2012

      • CatCat
        :(
      • 2012-07-04 18626, 2012

      • CatCat
        it worked when someone esle was the leader.
      • 2012-07-04 18629, 2012

      • CatCat
        as soon as i started
      • 2012-07-04 18638, 2012

      • CatCat
        it was "no do it this way ,no i want ot do it that way" :/
      • 2012-07-04 18612, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        nah, it's just like those never-ending reports we have, once it's a chore it's not fun anymore
      • 2012-07-04 18627, 2012

      • CatCat
        true
      • 2012-07-04 18638, 2012

      • CatCat
        wich is why we need a set thing to do and thne do it i na set time
      • 2012-07-04 18640, 2012

      • CatCat
        i wonder
      • 2012-07-04 18659, 2012

      • CatCat
        select not jsut "clean up artist" but "do x to artist" and durign y time
      • 2012-07-04 18606, 2012

      • CatCat
        and also! peopel should sign up for it
      • 2012-07-04 18618, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        I think you'll have more luck asking people who have been editing [disney] recently if they want to help out
      • 2012-07-04 18635, 2012

      • CatCat
        they'd sign up
      • 2012-07-04 18635, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        community projects with members, like they have on Wikpedia, would probably work better
      • 2012-07-04 18647, 2012

      • CatCat
        but that's what CotM is supposed ot be!
      • 2012-07-04 18603, 2012

      • CatCat
        brainstorm, peopel sould sign up (becaome members)
      • 2012-07-04 18610, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        http://musicbrainz.org/release/2dd39e8d-e82a-4d11… how is this not just freaking v/a, jeez
      • 2012-07-04 18634, 2012

      • CatCat
        becasue peopel are stupid Wizzcat
      • 2012-07-04 18643, 2012

      • CatCat
        or they forgot to change it?
      • 2012-07-04 18617, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        nobody's checking that people don't add new things to disney, that's the problem
      • 2012-07-04 18626, 2012

      • tri_marianaaf
        CatCat: ahaha that's ok, better late :)
      • 2012-07-04 18631, 2012

      • tri_marianaaf
        thanks
      • 2012-07-04 18647, 2012

      • CatCat
        :)
      • 2012-07-04 18602, 2012

      • CatCat
        lol Rowan Atkinson `really?
      • 2012-07-04 18615, 2012

      • CatCat
        well i'm changeign this ot VA seriously
      • 2012-07-04 18645, 2012

      • CatCat
        Wizzcat: yepp, also that gets hardenr when effort to find those is spread out ont several SPA's rather than the one (or tw o)
      • 2012-07-04 18651, 2012

      • CatCat
        like unknown trad and no artist
      • 2012-07-04 18605, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        anyway, I'll see if I can help clean up disney
      • 2012-07-04 18610, 2012

      • CatCat
        awesome!
      • 2012-07-04 18612, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        it actually looks fairly doable
      • 2012-07-04 18619, 2012

      • CatCat
        hoefully we can jsut get rid of these
      • 2012-07-04 18647, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        we seem to have works for most of them, so it's just a matter of assigning properly
      • 2012-07-04 18626, 2012

      • CatCat
        yea
      • 2012-07-04 18609, 2012

      • Freso
        Wizzcat: I like the cover art image...
      • 2012-07-04 18640, 2012

      • CatCat
        HEY
      • 2012-07-04 18641, 2012

      • CatCat
      • 2012-07-04 18649, 2012

      • CatCat
        it SAYS to use "artist credit" :O
      • 2012-07-04 18614, 2012

      • Freso
        But was the text (re)written after the AC system?
      • 2012-07-04 18605, 2012

      • Wizzcat
        Freso: haha, yeah, that's a new low for amz I think
      • 2012-07-04 18622, 2012

      • CatCat
        WAIT WTF
      • 2012-07-04 18623, 2012

      • CatCat
        that's madness!
      • 2012-07-04 18628, 2012

      • reosarevok joined the channel
      • 2012-07-04 18614, 2012

      • CatCat
        that's.. insane
      • 2012-07-04 18619, 2012

      • CatCat
        !!!!!
      • 2012-07-04 18632, 2012

      • CatCat
        FINE merge Bach into [classical music!!!!!]
      • 2012-07-04 18635, 2012

      • CatCat
        DO IT
      • 2012-07-04 18644, 2012

      • CatCat
        WHY THE FUCK NOT
      • 2012-07-04 18607, 2012

      • CatCat
        I AM BEING SARCASTIC
      • 2012-07-04 18614, 2012

      • CatCat
        unless that wasn't obvious
      • 2012-07-04 18650, 2012

      • CatCat
        hi reosarevok
      • 2012-07-04 18611, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Heh, good idea
      • 2012-07-04 18616, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I didn't like that Bach guy anyway
      • 2012-07-04 18619, 2012

      • reosarevok
        8)
      • 2012-07-04 18619, 2012

      • CatCat
        lol
      • 2012-07-04 18621, 2012

      • reosarevok
        What did I miss?
      • 2012-07-04 18625, 2012

      • CatCat
        aw man
      • 2012-07-04 18636, 2012

      • CatCat
        peopel are avocating merging shit that makes no sence
      • 2012-07-04 18600, 2012

      • CatCat
        ut if i want o merge hel dritten into no artist or unknown suddenly it's a big no.no
      • 2012-07-04 18620, 2012

      • CatCat
      • 2012-07-04 18636, 2012

      • CatCat
        it'sa bit like saying "we don't care that Rowling wrote these harry whatshislighningscarredface so we're merging those things into [genre goes here]"
      • 2012-07-04 18633, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Well, admittedly, if we care, shouldn't we just keep them as is instead of going around merging them, and actually try to find who did what?
      • 2012-07-04 18649, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (answer probably is "huh, we don't really care thaaat much" :P )
      • 2012-07-04 18652, 2012

      • CatCat
        that's my point too
      • 2012-07-04 18609, 2012

      • CatCat
        either we CARE so we fix it or we DON1't and i merge it inot whatever
      • 2012-07-04 18624, 2012

      • CatCat
        i found the wikipage
      • 2012-07-04 18631, 2012

      • CatCat
        Status: This is an official style guideline.
      • 2012-07-04 18640, 2012

      • CatCat
        Sometimes it is useful to be a bit more specific when using [unknown]. You can use one of the following as the artist credit if applicable:
      • 2012-07-04 18647, 2012

      • CatCat
        it says to use artist credit!
      • 2012-07-04 18601, 2012

      • CatCat
        [language instruction]...
      • 2012-07-04 18601, 2012

      • reosarevok
        That it does
      • 2012-07-04 18624, 2012

      • Freso
        CatCat: Read the guideline again?
      • 2012-07-04 18647, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Freso: why? it does say that should be an artist credit for no artist
      • 2012-07-04 18649, 2012

      • reosarevok
        I do think that's one of the guidelines that were reviewed during the NGS transition, though
      • 2012-07-04 18658, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (so, not by style but by nikki and warp)
      • 2012-07-04 18602, 2012

      • Freso
        CatCat: "with regular use of [unknown], these should only be used as a last resort, pending further research. "
      • 2012-07-04 18610, 2012

      • CatCat
        indeed.
      • 2012-07-04 18615, 2012

      • CatCat
        but now they exsist
      • 2012-07-04 18622, 2012

      • CatCat
        shouldn't have exsisted i nthe first palce
      • 2012-07-04 18628, 2012

      • reosarevok
        So if someone opposes it, they should ask you to stop the merge *and* go to style and ask for it to change
      • 2012-07-04 18643, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But not only one of the two
      • 2012-07-04 18646, 2012

      • Freso
        When was the AC system put in place?
      • 2012-07-04 18610, 2012

      • reosarevok
        At the same time this guideline was rewritten
      • 2012-07-04 18619, 2012

      • Freso
        May '11?
      • 2012-07-04 18621, 2012

      • reosarevok
        yep
      • 2012-07-04 18627, 2012

      • reosarevok
        Obviously the artist existed before