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      • hawke_1
        You need to look in %APPDATA%
      • 2012-08-23 23612, 2012

      • _5moufl
        20°31'13" _5moufl> This folder only contains an empty plugins folder and picard log
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      • hawke_1
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      • hawke_1
        (01:38:47 PM) _5moufl: C:\Program Files (x86)\MusicBrainz Picard
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      • hawke_1
        You're looking in %ProgramFiles%\Musicbrainz Picard
      • 2012-08-23 23607, 2012

      • hawke_1
        You need to look in %APPDATA%
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      • _5moufl
        YES, the tue plugins folder is in there
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      • _5moufl
        I looked in appdata
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      • _5moufl
        there's an empty plugins folder
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      • _5moufl
        and picard log
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      • _5moufl
        true*
      • 2012-08-23 23624, 2012

      • Mineo
        look in the registry paths described on http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qsettings.html#l…
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      • _5moufl
        here they are
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      • hawke_1
        On Windows, the following files are used:%APPDATA%\MySoft\Star Runner.ini
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      • hawke_1
        so like I said
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      • _5moufl
        well, that sucks
      • 2012-08-23 23605, 2012

      • _5moufl
        there's nothing in appdata hawke_1
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      • _5moufl
        why would I lie?
      • 2012-08-23 23623, 2012

      • _5moufl
        well nothing concerning the conf
      • 2012-08-23 23624, 2012

      • CatCat
        oh wow it's international news now?
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      • Mineo
        hawke_1: only "If the file format is IniFormat"
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      • _5moufl
        ^
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      • hawke_1
        Mineo: Ah, you’re right. I wonder why Picard uses NativeFormat.
      • 2012-08-23 23641, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Sorry.
      • 2012-08-23 23606, 2012

      • Mineo
        lazyness probably. it only makes a *real* difference on windows
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      • CatCat
        ho god this is a pretty bad article "The council has expressed a desire for it to contain a sheaf of oil shares that could help the municipality,” he told newspaper VG. " isn't what was in norwegian at all, he was *sayign it as a joke
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      • hawke_1
        _5moufl: I thought you were looking in the wrong place because you said C:\Program Files (x86)\Musicbrainz Picard when I asked where you were looking
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      • hawke_1
        Plus windows has the Appdata\roaming vs. appdata\local thing
      • 2012-08-23 23618, 2012

      • _5moufl
        I was looking there, when you asked that I just said I found the "real" plugins folder where my plugins are
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      • _5moufl
        and juste before I said there was an empty folder in %appdata% + the log
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      • _5moufl
        I admit it wasn't very clear though
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      • CallerNo6
        reosarevok: did plans fizzle to have a csg mini-summit, or some sort of in-person discussion with pete marsh?
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      • v6lur
        ianmcorvidae: http://i18n.mbsandbox.org/register is always in english for some reason (including the menu, which is translated on other pages)
      • 2012-08-23 23653, 2012

      • reosarevok
        CallerNo6, you'd have to ask ruaok about it next time he appears
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      • v6lur
        ianmcorvidae: also, most of http://i18n.mbsandbox.org/search/edits seems untranslatable
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      • ianmcorvidae
        heh, probably the ISE is why /register is broken
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      • ianmcorvidae will sign up for a recaptcha key for i18n.mbsandbox to kill that error at least
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      • ijabz
        Just want wanted to clarify something the field for an artist entity generally refers to someone who makes music , but its perfectly okay to create an 'artist' for someone who worked on release in non-musical way i.e designed artwork ?
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      • ianmcorvidae
        ijabz: yeah, you have to do that in order to link with those sorts of ARs
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      • ianmcorvidae
        we don't really have a distinction between "musical artist" and "random person who happened to work on something related to music"
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      • ijabz
        yeah, just the term 'artist' for everyone and fields like IPI when you add an artist make it slightly confusing
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      • ianmcorvidae
        yeah, agreed
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      • ianmcorvidae
        some have talked before (vaguely) about making a distinction between "Person" and "Artist"
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      • ianmcorvidae
        v6lur: /register works now, it was because of the ISE that it wasn't translatable
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      • ijabz
        Maybe could be improved, i.e have a different type which doesn't differentiate between person and group, but musiican/writer/promoter ...
      • 2012-08-23 23644, 2012

      • ijabz
        right. may happen one day
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      • reosarevok
        Well, whoever designed artwork was certainly an artist!
      • 2012-08-23 23601, 2012

      • reosarevok
        (just not a musician)
      • 2012-08-23 23603, 2012

      • reosarevok
        But yeah
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      • ianmcorvidae
        theoretically we could also add a root type common to person/group/other that's something like "Musical Artist"
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      • ianmcorvidae
        and add a separate tree
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      • ianmcorvidae
        it would be a pretty extensive change though
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      • ianmcorvidae
        and it wouldn't deal with the IPI code problem, or such
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      • intgr
        Hi, can I get 5 votes on fast track please? I want to tag this. The capitalization was obviously wrong: http://musicbrainz.org/edit/18801513
      • 2012-08-23 23600, 2012

      • intgr
        Sorry, 3 votes I mean
      • 2012-08-23 23655, 2012

      • v6lur
        ianmcorvidae: thanks. but it would still be nice if the error msgs were translat{able|ed} as well ;)
      • 2012-08-23 23607, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae
        it would indeed
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      • _5moufl
        Or was it the artist intent to not use caps
      • 2012-08-23 23614, 2012

      • ianmcorvidae making a ticket
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      • _5moufl
        but I completely agree with you intgr
      • 2012-08-23 23614, 2012

      • demosdemon
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      • demosdemon
        no
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      • intgr
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      • demosdemon
        Even the album art uses lower cases, look at number 7
      • 2012-08-23 23633, 2012

      • _5moufl
        artist intent != cover designer intent though
      • 2012-08-23 23622, 2012

      • _5moufl
        I feel strongly again those intents unless they're punctual
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      • demosdemon
        not all on the cover art matches what they have on their bandcamp - number 20 and 21 to be specific
      • 2012-08-23 23642, 2012

      • intgr
        demosdemon: Well I disagree personally, they're just picking and choosing letters from the font that look whacky. That's cover design, not artist intent of capitalization
      • 2012-08-23 23607, 2012

      • demosdemon
        I still stand by my vote and comment
      • 2012-08-23 23643, 2012

      • intgr
        "If you want to claim that some deviation from the Style Guidelines should be considered artist intent, the burden of proof lies on you"
      • 2012-08-23 23645, 2012

      • _5moufl
        I'll abstain for now because my personal taste might bias my judgement :x
      • 2012-08-23 23656, 2012

      • demosdemon
        I provided my proof
      • 2012-08-23 23628, 2012

      • _5moufl
        that's not a proof, that's the back cover picture
      • 2012-08-23 23630, 2012

      • intgr
        The cover has "botanicula" in lower case, but bandcamp has that capitalized
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      • intgr
        The artist name is "DVA", but Bandcamp lists that as "Dva"
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      • intgr
        Bottom line: Bandcamp uses arbitrary capitalization.
      • 2012-08-23 23642, 2012

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      • xplt
        If some album is selling with the "Humble Indie Bundle"-like model - does it count as "Promotion" release?
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      • _5moufl
        I'm messaging the artist
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      • _5moufl
        it's also sold independantly
      • 2012-08-23 23642, 2012

      • _5moufl
        so... no
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      • CallerNo6
        Good luck getting an artist to read the definition of artist intent.
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      • intgr
        xplt: Well the release is not promoting anything -- it's just included with the game.
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      • xplt
        intgr: no-no-no. It's not about HIB goodies, it's the same model but for music releases only
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      • intgr
        xplt: You mean the Humble Music Bundle?
      • 2012-08-23 23612, 2012

      • xplt
        intgr: yes, something like this
      • 2012-08-23 23633, 2012

      • wuong
        hi, im looking for the proper xml query url to get a full discography of an artist using the artist mbid... including: albums, albums + compilation, albums + live, album + mixtape / street, singles, etc... is this possible?
      • 2012-08-23 23642, 2012

      • _5moufl
        maybe it is on promotion (sale) but not to promote anything
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      • xplt
        _5moufl: ah, ok. Thanks :)
      • 2012-08-23 23635, 2012

      • intgr
        _5moufl: You mean you're contacting Amanita Design?
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      • _5moufl
        no the artist
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      • intgr
        Ah ok
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      • _5moufl
        DVA
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      • demosdemon
        the soundcloud (which requires from a technical side that the title of tracks begin with a capital) follows suit if you ignore the initial capital http://www.minorityrecords.com/releases/min30/det…
      • 2012-08-23 23641, 2012

      • hawke_1
        Hmm, why wasn’t that edit an autoedit?
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      • hawke_1
        (if it’s only caps changes)
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      • intgr
        hawke_1: Dunno
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      • intgr
        Yeah that's what I wondered
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      • intgr
        demosdemon: Or it could be.... (1) Graphic designer chose lower case because the letters look more whacky (2) uploaders transcribed tracks the way they were on the cover without giving it a second thought.
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      • hawke_1
        Also if you want to override artist intent you should be correcting “Lantern’s” and “I’m” as well.
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      • intgr
        Personally I'd say the letter "F" they used on the cover looks upper case
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      • demosdemon
        the F in 7 is different in 21
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      • demosdemon
        21 is obviously capitalized whereas 7 isn't
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      • intgr
        Yet both are lowercase in Bandcamp
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      • CallerNo6
        To me, "artist intent" for capitalization doesn't just mean "we thought this looked cool".
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      • intgr
        (!?)
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      • intgr
        Agreed CallerNo6
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      • hawke_1
        I tend to be an “As on cover” guy for tracklists.
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      • demosdemon
        "we thought this looked cool" is the reason a lot of art is made
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      • hawke_1
        I don’t like the idea of second-guessing the artist.
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      • intgr
        hawke_1: Well in that case >50% of track lists on MB should be allcaps or all lower case.
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      • hawke_1
        Since even if they didn’t design the cover themselves (which for something this small they probably did anyway), they almost certainly approved it.
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      • intgr
        That would be a nightmare
      • 2012-08-23 23616, 2012

      • intgr
        hawke_1: It's not "second-guessing" the artist, it's about using proper grammar.
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      • hawke_1
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      • demosdemon
        intgr: proper grammar has an apostrophe in I'm, which isn't part of your edit
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      • hawke_1
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      • hawke_1
        Along with many, many, many others
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      • intgr
        demosdemon: I was hoping it would pass as an autoedit so I could tag my stuff.
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      • demosdemon
        and then you asked for a fast track, which is kind of insulting
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      • intgr
        hawke_1: Huh? What about it?
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      • hawke_1
        intgr: Plenty of wrong spelling and grammar there, but you don’t see people calling for it to be changed to “Give Me That”
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      • intgr
        "Insulting"? Excuse me that I didn't want to wait 2 weeks to tag the tracks I just downloaded.
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      • hawke_1
        Or “Put Your Lighters Up” or “Walk With Me” or…
      • 2012-08-23 23632, 2012

      • demosdemon
        yes, insulting, by expecting us to blindly click yes
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      • ianmcorvidae
        you can tag it now and change it to what you think is correct without requiring a change to the public DB that is disagreed with by many
      • 2012-08-23 23651, 2012

      • intgr
        demosdemon: I didn't tell anyone to click yes.
      • 2012-08-23 23621, 2012

      • demosdemon
        ok, so you asked for "3 votes"
      • 2012-08-23 23624, 2012

      • demosdemon
        you got three votes
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      • intgr
        And?
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      • demosdemon
        and you got what you asked for, three votes. But not the fast track you wanted
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      • hawke_1
        ianmcorvidae: Did you see my comment on kepstin-work’s DR idea page, regarding the track ordering?
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      • ianmcorvidae
        hawke_1: hm, don't think I did
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      • intgr
        demosdemon: I am quite aware that it got 3 votes, yes, thanks.
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      • intgr
        :)
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      • ianmcorvidae
        hawke_1: ah, now I have
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      • ianmcorvidae
        well, lame :/
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      • hawke_1
        ianmcorvidae: k, wasn’t sure how closely you monitor the wiki or that page. The tools for calculating DR have no real way to record the track ordering
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      • ianmcorvidae
        at least there's still some logs in the comments
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      • hawke_1
        which is why the db has the wrong order