[16:22] nikki I really really really want to paste the tracklist first
2013-01-04 00447, 2013
CatCat
+1000
2013-01-04 00455, 2013
reosarevok
thomasvs: rock bands usually use selftitled, unless they specifically claim untitled
2013-01-04 00410, 2013
reosarevok
A fair amount of electronic singles, for example, are untitled...
2013-01-04 00443, 2013
reosarevok
(but there we use Track Title / Track Title unless tracks are *also* untitled :) )
2013-01-04 00455, 2013
reosarevok
It's kinda tricky. What does the artist use on their site or whatever?
2013-01-04 00407, 2013
hawke_
nikki: it seems to me that the primary purpose of discID is to find the correct release metadata for tagging. So it’s just a key (with some additional utility), and forcing tracklists to match it is excessive.
2013-01-04 00415, 2013
hawke_
FWIW, there’s no reason we could not have a different duration calculation applied for VCD medium discIDs…
2013-01-04 00429, 2013
nikki shrugs
2013-01-04 00442, 2013
nikki
I know that some people, rob in particular, want to just get rid of disc ids
2013-01-04 00453, 2013
jesus2099
hawke is terrific
2013-01-04 00453, 2013
nikki
since we already have lookups that use track times
2013-01-04 00413, 2013
jesus2099
WHAT ?!
2013-01-04 00422, 2013
Munger
I only wish I had written my card index numbers into my tags when I started this whole exercise. That would provide exaclty the kind of unique information I need in my folder names :-(
2013-01-04 00422, 2013
jesus2099
OMGWTF !
2013-01-04 00424, 2013
hawke_
My only objection to that is that disc IDs are a solid source of track duration info, at least for CDs.
2013-01-04 00428, 2013
nikki
so the idea of adding more features for disc ids seems funny
2013-01-04 00433, 2013
hawke_
and we are short enough on that already
2013-01-04 00437, 2013
jesus2099
it’s the only thing I use to tag my CDs before listening
2013-01-04 00443, 2013
jesus2099
(on computer of course)
2013-01-04 00447, 2013
hawke_
(Ironic I know given that I want to loosen the coupling between tracklists and discIDs)
2013-01-04 00417, 2013
jesus2099
nikki: dropping TOC is terrible idea
2013-01-04 00422, 2013
nikki
hawke_: well, to some extent. you can already get different disc ids from the same disc by putting it in a different computer sometimes :P
2013-01-04 00438, 2013
hawke_
nikki: Sure, but not *drastically* different
2013-01-04 00444, 2013
CatCat
aw man, I wish ther was asimplified picard webapp thing, so i could spendtime in lecutres re-tagging my usb thingy full of music
2013-01-04 00456, 2013
CatCat
at school there is weird proxies so picard don't work
2013-01-04 00427, 2013
Munger
CatCat, Use an ssh tunnel ;-)
2013-01-04 00416, 2013
CatCat
Munger: a) i have no idea how to do this b) it is likly that the overly-restricted school machineds won't allow this
2013-01-04 00424, 2013
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2013-01-04 00447, 2013
CatCat
I'd love ot grock ssh tunels thoguh, i could accsess my home machine from anywhere?
2013-01-04 00417, 2013
nikki
CatCat: in what way does picard not work?
2013-01-04 00446, 2013
kepstin-work
picard doesn't do magic - it's just standard http requests that return xml.
2013-01-04 00455, 2013
nikki
yeah, hence my question
2013-01-04 00457, 2013
Munger
CatCat, Proxies generally don't touch port 22, which is the ssh port number. You set up a tunnel on your home machine, and route all traffic for certain port numbers on your school machine to your hoe machine, which then passes stuff on for you.
2013-01-04 00459, 2013
CatCat
well it's not that picard doesn't work, it's that the school proxies are so complicated that I have no clue how to make it work, you need ot link to some weirdass file or what not
2013-01-04 00411, 2013
hawke_
probably an automatic proxy script…
2013-01-04 00415, 2013
CatCat
indeed
2013-01-04 00457, 2013
CatCat
next summit, i will harass one(or more?) of you to explain with examples how to do this using my and another persons machine
but hey, the more i learn the more i can be of use to musicbrainz
2013-01-04 00403, 2013
CatCat
lmao, imagine catcat as a developer one day :P
2013-01-04 00417, 2013
CatCat
(everybody run away from bad code)
2013-01-04 00430, 2013
CatCat
\o\ o /o/
2013-01-04 00444, 2013
jesus2099
Munger: If I was tunneling to my home, my home IP would get end being ban and the result would be worse :)
2013-01-04 00428, 2013
errorlevel
Why I don't switch ISPs -- the small, local operation, even though more expensive, has helped me troubleshoot various connectivity issues, even to a bittorrent tracker.
2013-01-04 00428, 2013
Munger
jesus2099, All the company sees is that you are communicating with an external machine through port 22, which is encrypted. They have no way of knowing what traffic is going through the tunnel. So you pick an unused port number in Picard for musicbrainz.org. Set up your laptop to forward all traffic to that port to your home IP:port 22. At the home end of the tunnel you catch all traffic and send it to the correct machine/port
2013-01-04 00454, 2013
errorlevel
Even if the company was doing traffic analysis to try to determine what kind of traffic was going over the encrypted connection, it should appear no different from someone using HTTPS. At least, I would think so given you would be talking to a web server.
2013-01-04 00415, 2013
kepstin-work
well, https is somewhat detectable since it uses standard ssl/tls setup and usually is on a specific port
2013-01-04 00421, 2013
kepstin-work
the connection setup for ssh looks different
2013-01-04 00432, 2013
Munger
Doesn't even have to be port 22. Anything that the proxy/firewall has open that you aren't using for anything else will do
2013-01-04 00456, 2013
kepstin-work
but yeah, just run ssh on the https port, and most scanners will just pass it through without checking
2013-01-04 00409, 2013
Munger
kepstin-work, Because the whole thing is wrapped up in ssh, they cannpt read any of the real headers
2013-01-04 00408, 2013
kepstin-work
Munger: there's a certain amount of stuff sent unencrypted protocol-wise at the start of an https connection that is sufficient to detect that it is probably https.
2013-01-04 00452, 2013
Munger
kepstin-work, Yes, but it is all hidden inside the SSH connection - which is by definition secure and encrypted
2013-01-04 00421, 2013
kepstin-work
Munger: yes, but ssh doesn't look like https - so a sufficiently advanced proxy might go "huh, this isn't an https connection! no going through!"
2013-01-04 00441, 2013
kepstin-work
on the other hand, most don't check that.
2013-01-04 00407, 2013
Munger
kepstin-work, The point is, companies seldom block SSh as it's essential for remote maintenance
2013-01-04 00429, 2013
kepstin-work
sure, companies don't... but other places do.
2013-01-04 00445, 2013
kepstin-work
companies that primarily work with windows servers might :)
2013-01-04 00448, 2013
jesus2099
Munger: port 22 is blocked
2013-01-04 00402, 2013
kepstin-work
it's really annoying, one place I used to work at had the default git port blocked
2013-01-04 00403, 2013
brian_b
Run an sshd on a higher port then
2013-01-04 00414, 2013
jesus2099
is it? I guess anyway ok I just don’t go where I’m not supposed to
2013-01-04 00415, 2013
brian_b
or port 80, if you can :)
2013-01-04 00428, 2013
kepstin-work
you had to use the old slow git http method there, which was annoying
2013-01-04 00442, 2013
kepstin-work
(ssh worked though, so I used that when I could)
2013-01-04 00415, 2013
brian_b
Even the Great Firewall of China didn't block port 22 last time I was there (a year ago). that might have changed tho.
2013-01-04 00429, 2013
jesus2099
a company is smaller than country it blocks more stuff everything unproductive of course
Don't use port 80 - that will screw up all your normal web browsing. Port 992 (secure imap) might be a good choice
2013-01-04 00431, 2013
reosarevok
hawke_: that's a series
2013-01-04 00431, 2013
jesus2099
hawke_: it’s a series name… in lack of series support I sometimes add it in disambiguation comment
2013-01-04 00443, 2013
hawke_
Munger: you can really just pick any port above 1024 or whatever…
2013-01-04 00444, 2013
reosarevok
Well
2013-01-04 00446, 2013
reosarevok
A "collection"
2013-01-04 00455, 2013
reosarevok
(as in, it's not ordered etc :p)
2013-01-04 00400, 2013
Munger
Yep
2013-01-04 00410, 2013
brian_b
Munger: port 80 for your remote sshd would be fine and not mess up anything, and might punch through firewalls that would leave port 80 traffic it doesn't understand alone
2013-01-04 00419, 2013
reosarevok
hawke_: I'd just leave it off the title though, and well, in other cases I'd suggest a wiki page
2013-01-04 00421, 2013
reosarevok
But this is Naxos
2013-01-04 00427, 2013
reosarevok
And Naxos has series sites
2013-01-04 00439, 2013
reosarevok
So... can wait until we get some series support :)
2013-01-04 00447, 2013
reosarevok
(man, I want series support :( )
2013-01-04 00452, 2013
hawke_
+1 to that
2013-01-04 00414, 2013
reosarevok wonders if ianmcorvidae or any other dev would like to look at that for May :p
2013-01-04 00418, 2013
Munger
brian_b, Also true, as you aren't forwarding port 80 to the tunnel. I tend not to do this as I have my own web server running on port 80, and it *would* mess that up
2013-01-04 00433, 2013
brian_b
Munger: true.
2013-01-04 00420, 2013
brian_b
there's also ways to tunnel TCP/IP over DNS, if you're truly hosed but you can do is DNS lookups
2013-01-04 00445, 2013
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2013-01-04 00447, 2013
kepstin-work
that one's fun, because it can sometimes get through paywalls and give you free internet :)
2013-01-04 00408, 2013
kepstin-work
(newer services tend to intercept dns, tho)
2013-01-04 00410, 2013
hawke_
free, really slow, internet
2013-01-04 00454, 2013
Munger
Hmm. Deaf Havana is sadly lacking on MB. Looks like I have some more work to do this weekend
2013-01-04 00451, 2013
reosarevok
hawke_: better than expensive, relatively slow internet!
2013-01-04 00403, 2013
warp
reosarevok: look at what?
2013-01-04 00413, 2013
CatCat
aw man tired
2013-01-04 00415, 2013
CatCat
natta!
2013-01-04 00422, 2013
reosarevok
warp: the series support thing we talked about at the summit
2013-01-04 00425, 2013
reosarevok
natta CatCat
2013-01-04 00427, 2013
jesus2099
bye bye !
2013-01-04 00441, 2013
reosarevok
warp: I'm not sure if we talked of a planned date for it or not :)
2013-01-04 00451, 2013
warp
reosarevok: is there an actionable MBS ticket?
2013-01-04 00417, 2013
reosarevok
warp: well, we had a fairly clear idea of how to do it on the summit IIRC
2013-01-04 00429, 2013
reosarevok
So if there's not, should be possible to change that :)
2013-01-04 00436, 2013
reosarevok takes a look
2013-01-04 00440, 2013
hawke_ is stopped for a 500
2013-01-04 00409, 2013
jesus2099
CatCat: still there ? you’re using a great IIRC and such → convertes to what it means… which one was it already ?
2013-01-04 00426, 2013
jesus2099
IIRC AFWTF etc. this stuff converter to full sentence
2013-01-04 00458, 2013
hawke_
Strange to see a Naxos release with the same recordings as a BMG release.
2013-01-04 00425, 2013
reosarevok
hawke_: strange as in wrong? ;)
2013-01-04 00440, 2013
hawke_
reosarevok: Strange as in right, but it’s the first time I’ve seen them shared between Naxos and a major label.
2013-01-04 00406, 2013
reosarevok
right? really?
2013-01-04 00410, 2013
reosarevok
heh, yes, that's weird
2013-01-04 00419, 2013
reosarevok
Unless they're Naxos Historical out of copyright stuff...
