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      • nikki
        tbh google often seems to do that
      • 2013-05-01 12137, 2013

      • derwin
        about why mb search should be different
      • 2013-05-01 12150, 2013

      • nikki
        but google works in weird ways and searches for things I definitely didn't search for
      • 2013-05-01 12158, 2013

      • hawke_1
        nikki: No, Google does weird things with word substitutions.
      • 2013-05-01 12114, 2013

      • hawke_1
        It’s OK to say “there are no releases with 16 tracks and a name like 'classics up to date'”
      • 2013-05-01 12132, 2013

      • nikki
        anyway, if you think you can come up with something better that won't make people bitch about it not finding things it should, it's open source :P
      • 2013-05-01 12104, 2013

      • hawke_1
        I did, ijabz told me I was wrong. :-)
      • 2013-05-01 12153, 2013

      • hawke_1
        'default to AND, and fuzzy-search every word' is pretty much what is needed IMO.
      • 2013-05-01 12119, 2013

      • hawke_1
        “Your search - aowejfoiawjefoiawefjweaoif - did not match any documents.” — damnit Google, you didn’t find what I was looking for!
      • 2013-05-01 12136, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Maybe not words though
      • 2013-05-01 12143, 2013

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      • hawke_1
        and thank god Musicbrainz returns great results: http://beta.musicbrainz.org/search?query=asdf+awe… — that’s exactly what I was looking for!
      • 2013-05-01 12129, 2013

      • kepstin_ notes that his random non-mb-power-user friend finds the default 'or' search really confusing.
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      • hawke_1
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      • hawke_1
        because an 'advanced' search is a completely different beast, for some strange reason.
      • 2013-05-01 12122, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Whatever, I’ve been over this before.
      • 2013-05-01 12138, 2013

      • nikki
        the default one does a lot more fuzzy matching, the advanced one makes you do your own fuzzy matching
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      • derwin
        yeah, I don't know what meaning OR tracks:16 would have
      • 2013-05-01 12113, 2013

      • derwin
        give me all releases named [x] or.. any release with 16 tracks?
      • 2013-05-01 12116, 2013

      • derwin
        meaningless
      • 2013-05-01 12122, 2013

      • hawke_1
        derwin: that’s exactly what it means
      • 2013-05-01 12130, 2013

      • derwin
        yes, but what meaning could that possibly have?
      • 2013-05-01 12133, 2013

      • hawke_1
        and that’s exactly what you get.
      • 2013-05-01 12141, 2013

      • nikki
        derwin: obviously it depends what you're looking for :P
      • 2013-05-01 12150, 2013

      • hawke_1
        It means 'give me a bunch of crap I don’t want'
      • 2013-05-01 12152, 2013

      • derwin
        nikki: who is ever looking for all releases with 16 tracks? heh
      • 2013-05-01 12107, 2013

      • hawke_1
        because hey, the result you wanted is in there somewhere if we have it!
      • 2013-05-01 12142, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Yeah, it really feels like if you give it advanced queries you want an AND
      • 2013-05-01 12111, 2013

      • hawke_1
        reosarevok: IMO you want an AND anyway
      • 2013-05-01 12116, 2013

      • nikki
        hawke_1: like I said, if too many results is the problem, that can be solved without using AND :P
      • 2013-05-01 12159, 2013

      • hawke_1
        nikki: It’s not just too many results, it’s irrelevant results.
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      • reosarevok
        nikki: tracks:16 doesn't have any fuzziness to it though
      • 2013-05-01 12121, 2013

      • nikki
        they're irrelevant because they're not good enough matches and should have a low score
      • 2013-05-01 12139, 2013

      • hawke_1
        nikki: then the scoring system is terrible.
      • 2013-05-01 12146, 2013

      • nikki
        reosarevok: I didn't say it wouldn't make sense to make tracks: use AND
      • 2013-05-01 12114, 2013

      • hawke_1
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      • nikki
        reosarevok: I'm just arguing that ANDing everything instead of ORing everything is not necessarily the right solution to reduce the number of results
      • 2013-05-01 12139, 2013

      • hawke_1
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      • reosarevok
        nikki: agreed for words
      • 2013-05-01 12155, 2013

      • hawke_1
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      • nikki
        hawke_1: now imagine something where you have "Classics: Up to Date" and mb has "Up to Date" because "Classics" is some series name or something like that that we didn't put in the title
      • 2013-05-01 12110, 2013

      • hawke_1
        nikki: then you’ll never find it because who knows where in the 1442 pages of results it wills how up?
      • 2013-05-01 12128, 2013

      • nikki
        ime near the top.
      • 2013-05-01 12129, 2013

      • hawke_1
        aside from that, anyone who’s ever used a search engine can probably deal with it.
      • 2013-05-01 12134, 2013

      • nikki
        I can't think of the last time (other than searching for tracks where we had more than one page of identically named ones) that I had to go to the second page to find what I wanted
      • 2013-05-01 12128, 2013

      • hawke_1
        nikki: that relies on you knowing that we actually have what you want.
      • 2013-05-01 12159, 2013

      • drsaunde
        hooray hooray hooray for May!!!!!!!
      • 2013-05-01 12121, 2013

      • drsaunde has had one day off work in the last 30
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      • nikki
        hawke_1: how so? if we don't have what we want, I'm not going to find it on any of the later pages either :P
      • 2013-05-01 12135, 2013

      • nikki
        err
      • 2013-05-01 12137, 2013

      • nikki
        what I want, I mean
      • 2013-05-01 12142, 2013

      • hawke_1
        How do you know?
      • 2013-05-01 12109, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Do you page through every result before concluding that we don’t have it?
      • 2013-05-01 12129, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Or do you *always* find what you want in the first page?
      • 2013-05-01 12130, 2013

      • nikki
        no, because I know that by the time I get into the results with low scores, they're just matches on things like "the" and are such a poor match that if what I wanted was there, it would be higher up :P
      • 2013-05-01 12134, 2013

      • hawke_1 notes that on page 5016 it just says “fuckit” and stops giving a score.
      • 2013-05-01 12123, 2013

      • CatQuest
        reosarevok>
      • 2013-05-01 12124, 2013

      • CatQuest
        Yeah, it really feels like if you give it advanced queries you want an AND <-- iagree for advanced query
      • 2013-05-01 12132, 2013

      • CatQuest
        but in general i find our search to be ok
      • 2013-05-01 12149, 2013

      • reosarevok
        in general, sure
      • 2013-05-01 12154, 2013

      • reosarevok
        It's just when you are like
      • 2013-05-01 12101, 2013

      • reosarevok
        tracks:15 label:Whatever
      • 2013-05-01 12108, 2013

      • CatQuest
        and i don't really care about "score" nor do i pay attention to it
      • 2013-05-01 12118, 2013

      • reosarevok
        When it's kinda silly to assume you want all stuff that is *either* 15 tracks or on the label Whatever
      • 2013-05-01 12122, 2013

      • reosarevok
        (or both)
      • 2013-05-01 12125, 2013

      • CatQuest
        yes! thats when i'm like "wtf why wont you work?!"
      • 2013-05-01 12127, 2013

      • reosarevok
        Instead of just both
      • 2013-05-01 12145, 2013

      • reosarevok
        But in general I have no big problems with the search - just those
      • 2013-05-01 12127, 2013

      • hawke_1
        reosarevok: I have no big problems with the search generally, i.e. it mostly works; but it definitely still includes things in crappy nonsensical order
      • 2013-05-01 12129, 2013

      • CatQuest
        yes indeed, i totally agree
      • 2013-05-01 12152, 2013

      • CatQuest deson't really see that , but whatever
      • 2013-05-01 12101, 2013

      • hawke_1
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      • CatQuest
        i mena it's just like google, i search for osmeething and by the 4th pagethe results are just wtfery
      • 2013-05-01 12149, 2013

      • CatQuest
        for what you searched for, it find exactky that, whats wrong with this ?
      • 2013-05-01 12111, 2013

      • hawke_1
        “Film Hits Up to Date” gets a higher score than “classic up to date”? stupid.
      • 2013-05-01 12126, 2013

      • CatQuest
        god why do you care about "score"
      • 2013-05-01 12145, 2013

      • CatQuest
        we shold just remove that column, maybe then peopel would stop complainign about "score"
      • 2013-05-01 12151, 2013

      • hawke_1
        CatQuest: because it determines the order in which the results are determined.
      • 2013-05-01 12158, 2013

      • CatQuest
        it's not as if it matters
      • 2013-05-01 12103, 2013

      • hawke_1
        er, “results are returned”
      • 2013-05-01 12109, 2013

      • CatQuest doesntreally care about the order
      • 2013-05-01 12135, 2013

      • hawke_1
        CatQuest: I care about the order because it means that results I actually want are more likely to be on second pages or beyond
      • 2013-05-01 12146, 2013

      • CatQuest
        besides isnt that a caching issue? or something
      • 2013-05-01 12104, 2013

      • CatQuest
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      • CatQuest
        i don't know why we don't defuakt to that anyway
      • 2013-05-01 12126, 2013

      • CatQuest
        default*
      • 2013-05-01 12133, 2013

      • CatQuest
        anywhay i needt og ot obed
      • 2013-05-01 12143, 2013

      • CatQuest
        anyway i need to go to bed
      • 2013-05-01 12146, 2013

      • CatQuest
        natta!
      • 2013-05-01 12113, 2013

      • hawke_1
        Night!
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      • drsaunde The Coup - Breathing Apparatus (Steal This Album 1998)
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      • drsaunde
        aw yeah!
      • 2013-05-01 12136, 2013

      • derwin
        nice1
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      • derwin
        that album is Real Deep
      • 2013-05-01 12120, 2013

      • derwin
        "Me & Jesus the Pimp in a '79 Granada Last Night" may be one of the deepest songs ever written in the genre of hip-hop
      • 2013-05-01 12104, 2013

      • drsaunde
        agreed
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      • derwin
        I live quote close to Oakland, heh
      • 2013-05-01 12150, 2013

      • drsaunde
        then of course there's the original cover of "Party Music"
      • 2013-05-01 12130, 2013

      • derwin
        yeah... lol :/
      • 2013-05-01 12139, 2013

      • derwin
        I know a guy who bought a promo copy
      • 2013-05-01 12140, 2013

      • derwin
        with that cover
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      • VxJasonxV
        will http://musicbrainz.org/edit/21964625 work the way I want it too? I don't care about the data in the base release, I want to merge it's recordings/track IDs into the target release
      • 2013-05-01 12152, 2013

      • VxJasonxV
        use all of the information in the target release
      • 2013-05-01 12159, 2013

      • kepstin_
        hmm. you can't link a group member using the top-level 'vocals' type? you have to pick a subtype :/
      • 2013-05-01 12152, 2013

      • kepstin_
        i suppose I should open a ticket for that :/
      • 2013-05-01 12155, 2013

      • nikki
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      • kepstin_ does so.
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      • nikki
        VxJasonxV: should those really be merged? they have different discogs links
      • 2013-05-01 12153, 2013

      • kepstin_ wonders what he should do in the mean time
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      • nikki
        annotation?
      • 2013-05-01 12158, 2013

      • VxJasonxV
        they're the same release. one has worse data
      • 2013-05-01 12110, 2013

      • kepstin_
        I suppose.
      • 2013-05-01 12112, 2013

      • VxJasonxV
        in my mind, yes, they should be merged, if for no other reason than to preserve acoustids
      • 2013-05-01 12123, 2013

      • nikki
        VxJasonxV: so why do they have different discogs links?
      • 2013-05-01 12129, 2013

      • kepstin_ knows which one is the lead vocalist, so he sets that; the others he's not sure about.
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      • VxJasonxV
        because discogs has the same problem mbz does
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      • nikki
        they seem to be different editions in discogs. one has an extra barcode
      • 2013-05-01 12143, 2013

      • hawke_1
        according to discogs one is the box set limited edition
      • 2013-05-01 12144, 2013

      • VxJasonxV
        regardless, it doesn't have data that has to differ on the level of an entirely different release.
      • 2013-05-01 12152, 2013

      • VxJasonxV
        am I wrong about that?
      • 2013-05-01 12103, 2013

      • hawke_1
        with different release dates
      • 2013-05-01 12142, 2013

      • nikki
        and a usb stick, not that it says what's actually on it
      • 2013-05-01 12144, 2013

      • hawke_1
        I would say they are clearly different releases.
      • 2013-05-01 12108, 2013

      • VxJasonxV
        :(
      • 2013-05-01 12110, 2013

      • hawke_1
        The limited edition contains the other one, plus some bonuses I guess
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      • nikki
        VxJasonxV: you could however add a new release based on the one you're currently merging into and merge the one you're currently merging into that new one, that would probably be a lot easier than trying to clean it up and merge all the recordings
      • 2013-05-01 12156, 2013

      • VxJasonxV
        :/
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