terrible romanization, half the artist names are actually in Japanese (because the damn "change artist credits" option is on by default when renaming artists)
2013-08-08 22005, 2013
flamingspinach
and then I have to sit there staring at firefox while jesus2099's nice script for merging recordings runs slowly one track at a time
2013-08-08 22023, 2013
simukis_
that's more of musicbrainz's problem for either not providing proper batch-editing or musicbrainz's problem for not processing all requests in under .5 a second.
2013-08-08 22050, 2013
kepstin-work
actually, the userscript is explicitly limiting the rate of submitting requests.
2013-08-08 22030, 2013
culinko
derwin: how dare you mention cyrillic here. you heathen!
2013-08-08 22046, 2013
kepstin-work
it could certainly go faster or submit edits in parallel, but that was thought to be impolite :)
2013-08-08 22048, 2013
simukis_
In soviet russia Cyrillic mentions you.
2013-08-08 22051, 2013
reosarevok
flamingspinach: in most cases, I think it's because they were added pre-NGS when there were no artist credits at all
2013-08-08 22058, 2013
reosarevok
(which doesn't make it less sucky though)
2013-08-08 22042, 2013
kepstin-work
by default, i'm pretty sure the "change artist credits" option only selects artist credits that match the current artist name?
2013-08-08 22050, 2013
hawke_1
Blah, why does the wiki style level 4 and 5 headings the same?
2013-08-08 22000, 2013
flamingspinach
yes, but often someone will enter a japanese artist by their romanized name first
2013-08-08 22003, 2013
hawke_1
And 3 for that matter
2013-08-08 22007, 2013
derwin
4 headings should be enough for anyone
2013-08-08 22018, 2013
hawke_1
2 headings should be enough for anyone, apparently
2013-08-08 22024, 2013
flamingspinach
then as soon as someone comes along and rightly changes it to their real japanese name, all romanized pseudoreleases which originally had the romanized name now have the japanese name
2013-08-08 22030, 2013
kepstin-work
I love how in the default html styles, H6 is smaller than body text :)
2013-08-08 22052, 2013
hawke_1
Can't use level 1 headings (that’s the mediawiki page title), and level 3–6+ are all the same (on Musicbrainz wiki)
hmm, I didn't realize that h5 was smaller as well.
2013-08-08 22035, 2013
kepstin-work
I guess 0.83 was fairly close :)
2013-08-08 22030, 2013
simukis_
hawke_1: they still would appear differently in TOC.
2013-08-08 22045, 2013
hawke_1
simukis_: yeah, but I care about the page itself, not the ToC
2013-08-08 22014, 2013
kepstin-work
hawke_1: how does the styling on musicbrainz.org/doc compare to on the wiki for headers?
2013-08-08 22030, 2013
hawke_1
Actually being able to read the page (especially distinguishing the headings from stuff that's just bold) is more important than the ToC.
2013-08-08 22031, 2013
Mineo spots some people who want to vote on http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-5906 :)
2013-08-08 22033, 2013
hawke_1
kepstin-work: not sure.
2013-08-08 22005, 2013
kepstin-work tries to find a page with several heading levels
2013-08-08 22021, 2013
kepstin-work gives up, and just hacks some in with firebug
2013-08-08 22003, 2013
derwin
anyone have the url of that cyrillic edit?
2013-08-08 22011, 2013
derwin
oh, found it
2013-08-08 22038, 2013
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2013-08-08 22051, 2013
kepstin-work
h3 and h4 are the same on /doc, but h5 and h6 are proportionally smaller
2013-08-08 22055, 2013
kepstin-work
which is kind of strange.
2013-08-08 22054, 2013
simukis_ is surprised people still use firebug when firefox has better looking and comparably functional built-in dev tools
2013-08-08 22004, 2013
kepstin-work
hmm, looks worse to me ;) has some nasty grey/blue skin that clashes with my window borders ;)
2013-08-08 22022, 2013
kepstin-work
but it's mostly just that i'm used to using firebug from a while ago
2013-08-08 22058, 2013
kepstin-work
... the built-in tool is missing the network panel too
2013-08-08 22027, 2013
kepstin-work
given how often I'm working with ajax stuff, that network panel is key.
2013-08-08 22049, 2013
simukis_
kepstin-work: it isn't missing the networking panel. At least in nightlies and aurora 😃
2013-08-08 22017, 2013
kepstin-work
well, when that makes it to a stable release, I might consider switching :)
2013-08-08 22056, 2013
hawke_1
(my bitching about the heading styles is because of http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/User:Hawke/Proposal/C… — note how you can’t tell the difference between level 3, level 4, definitions, and other bold text)
2013-08-08 22056, 2013
kepstin-work
hawke_1: I guess the only solution is to rewrite the page to have fewer heading levels
2013-08-08 22033, 2013
hawke_1
kepstin-work: I disagree. :-)
2013-08-08 22003, 2013
hawke_1
I formatted it for a sane table of contents and logical headings. Not my fault the wiki is misconfigured.
2013-08-08 22046, 2013
kepstin-work
I think having more than half the toc length 3 levels deep under a single subheading is a bad sign :)
2013-08-08 22014, 2013
ikona joined the channel
2013-08-08 22053, 2013
hawke_1
I suppose if I get rid of 'general principles' and 'guidelines' headings…
hawke_1: the whole concept is nasty anyway too IMO :p
2013-08-08 22055, 2013
ianmcorvidae
there is one, after it finishes
2013-08-08 22007, 2013
hawke_1
reosarevok: which concept?
2013-08-08 22008, 2013
flamingspinach
good thing it's not finishing because that "uploading" bar has been sitting there for ten minutes
2013-08-08 22014, 2013
hawke_1
…of having examples?
2013-08-08 22024, 2013
reosarevok
hawke_1: no, of doing silly things witht titles
2013-08-08 22054, 2013
flamingspinach
this is truly incredible
2013-08-08 22008, 2013
ianmcorvidae
you seem to be unclear on how this works
2013-08-08 22012, 2013
ianmcorvidae
we have *two fucking devs*
2013-08-08 22024, 2013
ianmcorvidae
if you want things to be perfect
2013-08-08 22029, 2013
ianmcorvidae
go load an empty page and call it musicbrainz
2013-08-08 22037, 2013
hawke_1
reosarevok: Most of it isn’t silly, just the 'we need a separate field for everything' bits. IMO.
2013-08-08 22002, 2013
reosarevok
hawke_1: well, I still find the "'Allegro' is a correct work title" bit incredibly retarded
2013-08-08 22013, 2013
flamingspinach sighs
2013-08-08 22025, 2013
reosarevok really struggles to understand how that's something anyone would consider a good idea :/
2013-08-08 22034, 2013
portik has left the channel
2013-08-08 22034, 2013
ianmcorvidae
or you could do a crazy thing and try to fix it instead of being an asshole on IRC :P
2013-08-08 22039, 2013
hawke_1
reosarevok: eh, I like it — but before it should be recommended we need better work search (i.e. show the title of the parent work)
2013-08-08 22058, 2013
hawke_1
ianmcorvidae: the first half of his name is 'flaming' ;-)
2013-08-08 22010, 2013
reosarevok
Show *and* use in search the title of the parent work :p
2013-08-08 22016, 2013
hawke_1
reosarevok: …yes.
2013-08-08 22016, 2013
reosarevok
So, lots of work for nothing
2013-08-08 22031, 2013
reosarevok
Plus a fucking horrible mess for anyone who wants to use the database later
2013-08-08 22042, 2013
hawke_1
reosarevok: not quite nothing. It does save the occasional hassle of having to edit a bunch of works to change one thing.
2013-08-08 22048, 2013
flamingspinach
ok, it's not so bad, I managed to cancel the stuck upload with ctrl+c in vimperator somehow, and then retried the submission
2013-08-08 22007, 2013
reosarevok
hawke_1: Well, sure, it just seems the worst possible way to solve that issue
2013-08-08 22011, 2013
flamingspinach
that's quite workable
2013-08-08 22040, 2013
hawke_1
reosarevok: I think it’s just aiming for the end rather than what we actually have now.
2013-08-08 22053, 2013
reosarevok
I mean, "detect the same title in child works and offer the user to enter changes to those too" sounds at least as easy to code, and much easier to work with later
2013-08-08 22056, 2013
flamingspinach
I wonder if the "stop button" in vanilla firefox does the same thing (i.e. stops AJAX requests as well as just the page load)
2013-08-08 22008, 2013
hawke_1
reosarevok: seems like it would be unreliable.
2013-08-08 22019, 2013
flamingspinach
ianmcorvidae: sorry, it was just pretty frustrating
2013-08-08 22025, 2013
reosarevok
Well, then don't make it an option, just force it :p
2013-08-08 22046, 2013
reosarevok
It would need one manual change to make them same as the parent for the cases where they were not, sure
2013-08-08 22056, 2013
flamingspinach
now that I've figured out how work around the weird decision not to have individual retry buttons on the bars, it's much nicer than the old CAA uploader
2013-08-08 22057, 2013
reosarevok
But it would also need one manual change to remove the main work title anyway
2013-08-08 22045, 2013
simukis_
Ideally cover art uploads should timeout after a minute with no activity and retry several times before actually failing.
2013-08-08 22005, 2013
flamingspinach
ianmcorvidae: IMHO a core design principle, maybe THE core design principle, for the mbz UI should be, "do not cause a user to lose manually inputted data"
2013-08-08 22035, 2013
ianmcorvidae
flamingspinach: start writing code
2013-08-08 22006, 2013
flamingspinach
sadly I don't know javascript or perl and don't really have the time to learn them right now, otherwise I would
2013-08-08 22010, 2013
madmouser1
hi all is there a place where I can log feature requests ?
