original song is hell on wheels from fu manchu with the composers listed on the discogs link
2013-08-25 23707, 2013
yeeeargh
i would add marten erbsen as lyrics guy and the guys from fu manchu as composers
2013-08-25 23726, 2013
yeeeargh
and then look if i find any good way to relate those two works
2013-08-25 23708, 2013
yeeeargh
Derivative work relationship from the docs looks like a good one i guess
2013-08-25 23754, 2013
reosarevok
Yeah, I mean, it's either "version of" or "based on"
2013-08-25 23707, 2013
reosarevok
(both of wich are derivative work thingies)
2013-08-25 23739, 2013
CallerNo6
I think "based on" is more of an adaption, isn't it?
2013-08-25 23742, 2013
CallerNo6 can't remember
2013-08-25 23713, 2013
CallerNo6 sez "nevermind"
2013-08-25 23703, 2013
yeeeargh
is the basis for read quite good: "This links two works, where the second work is based on music or text from the first, but isn't directly a revision or an arrangement of it."
2013-08-25 23724, 2013
yeeeargh
i have no clue what i revision or an arrangement would be
2013-08-25 23727, 2013
yeeeargh
though
2013-08-25 23738, 2013
yeeeargh
"The new work must be a new composition, not just an arrangement or the same music with different or translated lyrics. " hm...looks like this would apply here. so it would be the wrong one
2013-08-25 23722, 2013
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2013-08-25 23739, 2013
LordSputnik
yeeeargh: arrangement = rewriting the existing work to be played by new instruments
2013-08-25 23751, 2013
LordSputnik
revision is a later version of the work by the same composer
2013-08-25 23721, 2013
yeeeargh
arangement shouldn't be used in "pop" music anyways according to the doc
2013-08-25 23723, 2013
LordSputnik
so, Beethoven might have written a really crap symphony, then revised it to make Symphony #5, then you'd use revision
2013-08-25 23750, 2013
LordSputnik
yeeeargh: not generally, no, because recordings have something to deal with that (forgotten what it is)
2013-08-25 23722, 2013
yeeeargh
"Note: This should rarely be used for pop music" ...
yeeeargh: i'd use basis, unless it's a parody, then i'd use "earliest version" with the parody attribute
2013-08-25 23714, 2013
yeeeargh
yeah, basis sounds good if there wouldn't be that passage: "The new work must be a new composition, not just an arrangement or the same music with different or translated lyrics. " but the lyrics are completely different and not just translated
2013-08-25 23727, 2013
CallerNo6 agrees, "based on" isn't ideal
2013-08-25 23723, 2013
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2013-08-25 23733, 2013
CallerNo6
(that line should be in the bullet point list)
2013-08-25 23721, 2013
yeeeargh
so i guess "other version" is the better one... and i leave translated unselected, because it's not the same text in a different language
2013-08-25 23745, 2013
snartal
Question: How do we add areas?
2013-08-25 23711, 2013
yeeeargh
i believe there is a bot who looks at wikidata entries with specific attributes like "instance of: city" "is in the administrative unit" and so on
2013-08-25 23711, 2013
yeeeargh
there is a thread about that somewhere in the forums where it is explained a bit
reosarevok is very unconvinced of the usefulness and trustworthiness of release countries
2013-08-25 23730, 2013
snartal
reosarevok: To get a new area, do we have to ask you or nikki, or do we have to add it to wikidata?
2013-08-25 23749, 2013
reosarevok
Wikidata. What's the area?
2013-08-25 23710, 2013
snartal
Belen, New Mexico, US
2013-08-25 23718, 2013
snartal
So, I need to go get a wikidata account I guess.
2013-08-25 23723, 2013
yeeeargh
http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q815390 it's already there... you would have to add "is in the administrative unit" and it should be recognised by the bot
2013-08-25 23733, 2013
yeeeargh
no...not needed
2013-08-25 23755, 2013
reosarevok
You can edit without one, it'll check by IP or whatever
2013-08-25 23704, 2013
reosarevok
If you have a wikipedia account, it's the same, too, IIRC
2013-08-25 23716, 2013
snartal
yea, not sure I want my ip addy stuck to edits
2013-08-25 23731, 2013
yeeeargh
should work without... i have added some citys in the past
2013-08-25 23733, 2013
yeeeargh
"is in the administrative unit: Q487283" this should be the attribute you want to add
2013-08-25 23755, 2013
snartal
yea, just trying to find out where to do that at
2013-08-25 23722, 2013
yeeeargh
below the other attributes theres an "add button"
2013-08-25 23701, 2013
yeeeargh
then you enter "is in the administrative unit" into the property field
2013-08-25 23731, 2013
reosarevok
Or P131 :)
2013-08-25 23733, 2013
reosarevok
(faster)
2013-08-25 23752, 2013
yeeeargh
and "Q487283" int the field next to it, and then save.... if you want you can add a source too
2013-08-25 23710, 2013
yeeeargh
*in
2013-08-25 23728, 2013
snartal
Well, I just typed "New Mexico" and it added it.
2013-08-25 23734, 2013
snartal
What is source for?
2013-08-25 23726, 2013
yeeeargh
where you got your information from... i don't think that it's necessary for the edit to go through, but nice to know... and i guess putting in the county would be better then the state
2013-08-25 23744, 2013
reosarevok
heh
2013-08-25 23759, 2013
reosarevok
For us it doesn't matter since we don't have counties :)
2013-08-25 23708, 2013
reosarevok
(might be better for wikidata proper though)
2013-08-25 23730, 2013
yeeeargh
yeah, still, better information in wikidata... when you do the work you might as well do it right
2013-08-25 23754, 2013
snartal
ok... now "Valencia County, New Mexico"
2013-08-25 23701, 2013
snartal
Good tip
2013-08-25 23711, 2013
snartal
So, now the bot will pick it up?
2013-08-25 23703, 2013
reosarevok
Should do, if it's also set as city or town
2013-08-25 23715, 2013
reosarevok
(god, the site is SO HORRIBLY SLOW :( )
2013-08-25 23739, 2013
reosarevok
It's not automatic though - or well, it is, but not instant
2013-08-25 23739, 2013
yeeeargh
i guess so, to my knowlege those are the only attributes the bot looks for.... don't know how often the bot runs. so no clue when it will show up here
2013-08-25 23745, 2013
reosarevok
It checks every 3 h IIRC?
2013-08-25 23753, 2013
reosarevok
nikki would know :)
2013-08-25 23710, 2013
snartal
hmmm, some of the entries have county only, some have state and county
2013-08-25 23732, 2013
reosarevok
Shouldn't matter
2013-08-25 23737, 2013
ListMyCDs
still waiting bot to support municipalities ;)
2013-08-25 23740, 2013
reosarevok
I think as long as it has one of the two it should catch it
2013-08-25 23746, 2013
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2013-08-25 23750, 2013
reosarevok
ListMyCDs: it does! Kinda. It added the Italian ones
As long as it says just "City, in United States", it's useful disambiguation
2013-08-25 23721, 2013
snartal
Ah, depends on what the entry title.
2013-08-25 23711, 2013
snartal
That explains why county does the same thing.
2013-08-25 23723, 2013
yeeeargh
alrighty... i'm out for today... have a nice [insert name for local daytime]
2013-08-25 23751, 2013
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2013-08-25 23700, 2013
yindesu
has Musicbrainz been having server problems the last several days?
2013-08-25 23740, 2013
yindesu
I'd say 90% of my page loads / note submissions fail after 30 seconds due to bad gateways
2013-08-25 23749, 2013
snartal
Fri-Sun it was really slow, with people mentioning timeouts
2013-08-25 23714, 2013
yindesu
still happening right now.
2013-08-25 23733, 2013
culinko
reosarevok: how does the wikidata thingy work? i see some SK cities there, but not sure what to do to so the bot could pick them...
2013-08-25 23757, 2013
reosarevok
yindesu: one server's out for updating, temporary replacement turned out to be crap
2013-08-25 23759, 2013
reosarevok
(so, yes)
2013-08-25 23701, 2013
reosarevok
culinko: needs P31 (instance of) set to city or town, and P131 (administrative division) set to either some area we have in MB, or some area which itself has P131 to some area we have in MB
