#musicbrainz

Hmmm, so tough to figure out the consensus on wikidata.... to me it seems county for US.

At least in the talk.... I'm guess practical application is different.

well ideally it would be county, yes, but i've seen many cities linked to states

nikki reosarevok one of you here?

yep, what's the problem? :)

http://beta.musicbrainz.org/area/6e997717-e806-... is not the city, it's the district

"The district is identical with the city of Brno"

Doesn't seem like it makes sense to keep two areas that cover exactly the same, well, area

well, wikidata entry for the city is http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q14960

Yeah, it should probably be linked to both

also, how come there are two layers of subdivisions for czech republic and only one layer of subdivisions for slovakia?

Because subdivisions were added when they have ISO codes

http://musicbrainz.org/area/6e997717-e806-4ee9-... should be called "Brno-město" and set to subdivision, same as http://beta.musicbrainz.org/area/df1ef103-18a8-... is

Not really

there *are* more villages

While in Brno apparently there's just Brno

doesn't matter, Brno-město is a district

not a city

It makes no sense to have two levels that cover exactly the same area

Where are people born, or where are places? In the district or the city?

It's the same :)

What is true is that we should probably have multiple types per area :/

yes, but you will keep wikidata structure

The wikidata structure is useful most of the time, but if it means complications in MusicBrainz, we should probably care about our users more :)

i don't see any complications

Nobody is going to go "but I wanted to link this artist to the district!" (I hope)

The complication is that wikidata isn't even consistent

It most often has only one page for several entities that cover the same area

If they always kept two pages when something like that happens, I might see a point - although it still is confusing for anyone who just wants to list someone as born in Brno

But for example where there are several levels in the UK or Spain, you never get two pages

(like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_upon_Tyne "is a city and metropolitan borough"

)

I'm kinda surprised they do have it for Brno actually :)

well i see the consistency. it's the same as in Slovakia. kraje (regions), okresy (districts), mestá (towns/cities)

only exceptions is their capital though

i don't see why there wouldn't be new entry for the city instead of linking both to the district

Because we're not a geopolitical database - we care about areas as long as they are useful for music info. And for that, having more than one area covering exactly the same space isn't helpful.

If we were trying to display the changes in the political structure of central Europe during time, that would be very useful - but for saying where someone died or was born or where a label or venue is, it provides no useful choice.

Hi, got a quick question... I've resaved some early Stereo MC's albums with Picard, and noticed the apostrophe has been removed from the artist name.

At mb.org it shows the apostrophe in the Artist column for these albums

Anyone any idea why mb.org lists the albums as "Stereo MC�s", but when I save with Picard it uses "Stereo MCs"?

grtp: someone will answer your question if you wait a sec

reosarevok: well, you're right about the geopolitical database. i just think having district as a city is a weird thing, not sure if there will be any improvements on areas in the future, i mean having other relationships than just "has parts" etc.

Unsure yet

I mean, there's a second one "has anthem" :)

But yeah

(which *is* one reason that might make it sensible to separate things if they have different anthems, heh :) )

grtp: do you have something selected in the options similar to "use standarsised names" or something?

thanks reosarevok! unticking that seems to have done the trick :)

:)

bricas: here you go http://musicbrainz.org/edit/23502888 :)

what is the name of archive.org's realtime server stats?

thanks nikki

it's now morning over there, so hopefully they'll be fixing it soon

morning on a weekday, yeah :)

First time in a while I hear anyone being happy about it being Monday morning! :p

waiting with my so many tabs open...

I bet the archive.org server people aren't very happy about it.

they're doing the wrong job then :P

I mean, when your goal is to make a copy of every bit of data you can get your hands on, you do get through a lot of hard drives... :P

(although granted, apparently one of the two problems this time is not about hard drives)

they're probably pleased about having something not hard drivey to do for once :P

lol, the new version of sqlite has the 'next generation query planner'

it's like they're borrowing our naming scheme ;)

(it's "NGQP" for short)

hey can i get some votes on http://musicbrainz.org/edit/23484462 and http://musicbrainz.org/edit/23484792 accidentally adding too many works

thanks lurker guys!

here is a meme for you: http://i.imgur.com/3UtUGZR.png

not sure if anyone gets it.. http://i.imgur.com/uKARWQR.png

hmm, http://i.imgur.com/BdP6H5u.png is better imo

:D

seriously..caa is still down :-(

maybe all of them are on vacation too

it's hardware problems

nikki always has the answers

technically, it's just caa uploading that's down; they're still serving images fine :)

nah, there are some things even I don't know the answer to :P

but I did ask them about it, so that's why I know :P

well i'm glad at least that they know and are working on it

that's the hard thing with a 3rd party, you never know if they know or even care

i guess i'll keep tackling the feat. artist reports...don't need CAA for that

have fun with that:)

Crazy day.

Finally home proper.

At ten to midnight.

-.-

Anyway... off to get me some plane tickets, I guess.

Any German speakers here?

reosarevok: ping? Did you ever land on an approximate dinner time?

snartal: what do you need help with?

http://www.amazon.de/s?_encoding=UTF8&field... ... just trying to get a disambiguation on this band .... http://musicbrainz.org/artist/58783afa-0186-480...

Google tranlate not being cooperative :)

The DE.wiki has an entry for a "British Band".

the mb one seems to be the british one

Freso: ¿?

For Friday? No, Rob is still away

it links to http://www.discogs.com/artist/Heartland which has the same album as mentioned on http://www.rockreport.be/review.asp?id=1825

So I have no more info than before

Cool, Thanks nikki.

hmm, i wonder why someone just created my talk page on wikidata :o

usually some welcome thing

but I have no idea how they decide when to do that

i hope i made good edits there :P

Maybe it's "How cow, somebody is finally working on the slovakia stuff.... give him stuff and put him in charge?"

haha

anyway, all slovak cities are imported in db, so nothing more to work there:)

you mean you don't have any artists from rural areas? :P