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      • Jozo
        BTW. discogs URL cleanup do no catch urls like: http://www.discogs.com/master/view/288565 (remove view part)... I do not reported bug yet, that seems pretty new thing on discogs..
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      • nikki
        ruaok: what ulterior motive? :)
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      • nikki
        tell me tell me tell meee :P
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      • jesus2099
        nikki: do you know if there is an existing *stuff* (report, script, ws, etc.) to export a collection to CSV *including at least catalogue number and number of tracks* (which ws/2/collection doesn’t ?
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      • nikki
        the only way to get information about collections is via the ws
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      • nikki
        so if it doesn't do what you want, no
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      • jesus2099
        and (sorry i was away for a bit) i see you can create reports… can you create such report ?
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      • jesus2099
        or can i create such report on test.server.org ?
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      • jesus2099
        if it’s here like i used to be able to test being automod for my scripts
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      • nikki
        if you're talking about the reports on the sandbox, no, I can't and neither can you. that data only exists in the live db
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      • jesus2099
        i don’t know i saw you drop a report URL recently where i saw some URL that were linked to this or that… in MB report… it was written REPORT WRITTEN BY NIKKI then [edit report] link or something, it looked like editable by you, no ?
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      • jesus2099
        a report would be the good solution for exporting stuff… or a /ws/2/?fmt=csv
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      • nikki
        like I said, neither of us can make a report
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      • nikki
        please read what I said properly
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      • jesus2099
        then the display of that report i saw was misleadingly saying you made it, wonder why… ok so hmmm let’s see what i can do…… i need a checklist of my releases so that i don’t buy twice the same when i go shopping
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      • nikki
        it was not misleadingly saying it
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      • jesus2099
        ow, then you are
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      • nikki
        whether or not I made a url report is completely irrelevant
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      • nikki
        because collections are not urls
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      • jesus2099
        ah ok, you mean you can do reports but not collection repotrs ! now i think i get it
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      • jesus2099
        srsly, you should speak better english
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      • jesus2099
        there are english lessons which they pay you back if you’re not successfull
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      • jesus2099
        there are ads in the city they foolishly claim RESULT GUARANTED BY CONTRACT ! PAID BACK IF YOU'RE STILL BAD AT ENGLISH
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      • jesus2099
        how can you guaranty learning a language simply by signing a contract (and a check) ? :D
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      • jesus2099
        they must be americans, it’s called wall street english
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      • jesus2099
        97% GUARANTEED SUCCESS ! http://wallstreetinstitute.fr/apprendre-anglais i guess everyone is in the remaining 3%
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      • jesus2099
        oh they don’t pay back any more, maybe there were clever guys who took them to the word too much héhé :)
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      • jesus2099
        oh CatQuest ! hello ! you are on gihub too ? i saw your notice there……
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      • jesus2099
        i want to *like* you, there — that’s your real name ?
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      • hawke_1
        So….is a radio station a venue or a studio, or both?
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      • hawke_1
        What about a more traditional venue that has studios in it?
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: I would use "Other" when it's just radio station. And when studio named I would use "Studio"
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: And I have used "Other" when some complex has more than one place
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: (Just what I have added... I do not know anything about what others added)
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      • hawke_1
        In this case it’s a bar which has live music (so is a ”venue”) but also has recording studios on a different floor … not sure what to call it.
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      • Jozo
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      • hawke_1
        I guess I could have two places named the same…
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      • hawke_1
        one a venue, one a studio
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      • hawke_1
        and a 'part of' relationship
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      • hawke_1
        of course, there are two studios, and I suspect that in most cases we won’t know which studio will have been used…
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      • hawke_1
        …so I’ll need 1 venue and 3 studios, I guess.
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: I do not yet decided how many places I would want one complex to splitted... but I have splitted some on maybe too many parts...
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      • hawke_1
        :-)
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: https://musicbrainz.org/place/f9587914-8505-4bd1-… (former cloth factory) splitted to many parts
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      • Jozo
        (and someone yesterday mentioned something about venues changing name) I think they are still same venue (if only name changed and not use)
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      • hawke_1
        Yeah, I dunno — I think that’s mostly true, but I think a lot of bars should be new venues when they change names/owners
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: Yep. Bar may be different (I have added some already when name and use changed. That happens to bars pretty quite often)
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: for example when some bar changed from rock club to disco house (or something). I think they are different
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      • hawke_1
        yeah.
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      • hawke_1
        But then there are similar situations where I wouldn’t make it a different place…
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      • hawke_1
        such as the Miller Oasis at Summerfest (a specific stage at a yearly festival)
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      • hawke_1
        Miller [High Life] Jazz Oasis 1971–1993; Miller [Lite] Oasis 1993–present
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      • hawke_1
        Use changed from jazz to … non-specific
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      • hawke_1
        but it’s still the same structure, at the same festival.
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      • snartal
        And beer type too!
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      • hawke_1
        :-D
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      • hawke_1
        It’s all piss-water
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      • CallerNo6
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: http://reports.mbsandbox.org/report/100/view (Finland: all places) I can handle that still, but not when there is much more..
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      • Jozo
        I think we need do something about "hosted concerts by" relation showed on place page... (when there is hundreds on page it's not readable anymore)
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      • Jozo
        (same ablies to some other relations too)
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      • Jozo
        http://musicbrainz.org/place/d71ffe38-5eaf-426b-9… (for example) place founded 2009 and mixer mixed over thousand gigs already
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      • reosarevok
        Jozo: yeah, we have to add actual events :p
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      • reosarevok
        We might want to move the stuff to its own tab before that. but we'll see :)
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      • hawke_1
        Bleh, the “has no relationships” on overviews is such a fail. :-(
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      • Jozo
        reosarevok: Same applies to "rights society" relation; http://musicbrainz.org/label/ce87b21a-8793-4d99-8… (for example) I just starded use that relation, but it's applies about every Nordisk release...
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      • Jozo
        reosarevok: also "copyright" relations list may be sooo long
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      • Hadora
        itunes lookup works in france
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      • Hadora
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      • Hadora
        for books
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      • Jozo
        reosarevok: Also published relation is so confusing... (on label relation display)
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      • Hadora
        (at least)
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      • CallerNo6
        akk. permission-creep on android is flippin' insidious.
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      • hawke_1
        Do we have any places which have no performances/recordings?
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      • CallerNo6
        hawke_1: do you mean /should/ we?
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      • hawke_1
        I mean, I wonder if there are a lot of places which have been added without really being used
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      • CallerNo6
        I'm sure some of the places I've added haven't been used (yet?)
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      • hawke_1
        i’ve been adding places as I use them. :-)
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      • CallerNo6
        ah. I just like to see the little red flags on the map :-)
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      • CallerNo6 is also entranced by fbomb.co
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      • hawke_1
        ?
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      • Mineo has added a few places he's been at for a concert without linking any performance to them
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      • CallerNo6
        hawke_1: filling in maps is it's own reward
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      • hawke_1
        I am well are (worked quite a bit on OpenStreetMap until they did the Tiger import
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: I may added some (without any other relation that URLs)
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      • hawke_1
        *aware
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      • Jozo
        hawke_1: (but that may be just that I forgotten add some concert-relation to it)
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      • reosarevok
        hahaha
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      • reosarevok
        The Finnish one
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      • reosarevok
        "wait what the fuck scotland wants to join nordic countries wtf go away"
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      • reosarevok
        (re: fbomb.com)
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      • reosarevok
        *co
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      • hawke_1
        Wonderful…a live release recorded at a restaurant that has 4 locations…
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      • CallerNo6
        reosarevok: the people have spoken!
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      • CallerNo6
        The Classical FAQ thing brings up a question we talked about in the doc team thingy. That is, should we maintain multiple layers that can get out of sync?
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      • CallerNo6 feels like, "yeah, as long as somebody is willing to keep it up to date"
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      • hawke_1
        “multiple layers”?
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      • hawke_1
        meaning FAQ vs. style guide?
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      • CallerNo6
        kinda
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      • Jozo
        CallerNo6: Like?
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      • CallerNo6
        meaning "official docs" vs FAQs and other unofficial thingies
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      • CallerNo6
        well, "un-" or "semi-"
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      • hawke_1
        I think it’s fine as long as we can actually keep track of it all.
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      • CallerNo6
        exactly
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      • hawke_1
        That seems to be the usual problem, more than keeping it up to date.
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      • hawke_1
        We lose track of what stuff needs to be kept up to date, and users find random pages that we don’t even remember/know exists.
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      • Jozo
        CallerNo6: What FAQ says (that style guide do not)?
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      • reosarevok
        Jozo: it's just outdated
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      • Jozo
        reosarevok: oh :/
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      • reosarevok
        (so it still says to put artists on titles and all that)
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      • Jozo
        I never really followed classical style guide, so I do not know. :/
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      • CallerNo6
        How-to stuff is also great, but screenshots can quickly be outdated even if the general guide is still useful
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      • CallerNo6
        I thought (wrongly) that the Classical FAQ had been "historied".
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      • Jozo
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      • CallerNo6
        Jozo, yeah, exactly
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      • Jozo
        I think that page do not provide anything useful.... (So why we can't move that to historical pages?
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      • Jozo
        reosarevok: Do we really need some style-process to move something not useful to historical?
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      • reosarevok
        Not really
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      • reosarevok
        But I said we should remove it and people were like "nooo, it's useful!"
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      • CallerNo6
        Jozo: a few people on the mailing list want to keep it (and update it). But if that doesn't happen, move it to "history" and see if anybody complains :-)
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      • Jozo
        CallerNo6: Ah, I've not checked my mails lately...
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      • CallerNo6
        Most out-dated advice? "Bring it up on the Users Mailing List"! (if you have a question that the FAQ doesn't answer)
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      • Jozo
        CallerNo6: +1 removal... (I do not vote anything on style until it's on jira or some other...)
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      • CallerNo6
        Jozo, the wiki is more a do-ocracy (as long as you're not editing official documentation)
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      • Jozo
        reosarevok: (And I do not want sent my RFC to style, 'cos I'm scared that no-one give +1... that's propably only my fear, but...)