To me it’s like “great, where are the answers to these questions”
2014-01-10 01034, 2014
reosarevok
Well, it's either that or in the TOC
2014-01-10 01055, 2014
hawke
Yeah, but that makes the TOC a mile wide and a mile long
2014-01-10 01057, 2014
reosarevok
There should be a place to quickly check the questions without having to find them in between the text
2014-01-10 01022, 2014
reosarevok
So either you do it on the TOC and use it as a "shortcut", or you do this, really
2014-01-10 01021, 2014
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2014-01-10 01023, 2014
reosarevok
zas_, bitmap: someone's reporting in -users that Picard has issues loading releases where some cover art has no type set
2014-01-10 01031, 2014
reosarevok
Is that known?
2014-01-10 01053, 2014
SultS
I’m more put off by the TOC now being on the left side… it took less space on the right side (but I wasn’t here the whole time and maybe somebody didn’t like it there :))
2014-01-10 01032, 2014
hawke
SultS: how’d it take less space on the right side?
hmm, looks like my Character artist type RFV passed.
2014-01-10 01040, 2014
hawke goes to quickly veto it!
2014-01-10 01052, 2014
hawke
SultS: yeah. That’s what I was trying to fix. :-)
2014-01-10 01019, 2014
SultS
well, maybe now it’s ok to move back to the right side then :)
2014-01-10 01009, 2014
hawke
I don’t get why the TOC is so indented… :-/
2014-01-10 01006, 2014
hawke
Anyway, here it is on the right…
2014-01-10 01028, 2014
SultS
certainly an improvement
2014-01-10 01014, 2014
hawke
That’s what I thought. It feels to me like the answers are so short that you’re basically scanning a list of questions anyway, so there isn't much benefit to the TOC
2014-01-10 01029, 2014
hawke
beyond maybe very general topics
2014-01-10 01006, 2014
hawke
reosarevok: do you might if I remove the collapsible headings?
2014-01-10 01010, 2014
SultS
collapsing one line of text seems weird as well
2014-01-10 01045, 2014
hawke
If the 'expand' were right next to the heading it might work, but it’s way off on the side. :-/
2014-01-10 01005, 2014
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reosarevok
Most of the answers are quite longer than one line, heh
2014-01-10 01025, 2014
reosarevok
(which is probably why they're so bad, on the other hand)
2014-01-10 01004, 2014
reosarevok
But yeah, feel free, the page is going to be very similarly useless with and without expanding headers :p
2014-01-10 01014, 2014
hawke
hehe
2014-01-10 01037, 2014
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hawke
SultS: I changed the tone a bit away from that Q/A format.
2014-01-10 01056, 2014
hawke
(in that now the questions don’t refer back to the previous answers)
Except for “OK, so that's what we're supposed to do, now how do I do it”
2014-01-10 01056, 2014
hawke
No idea what to do with that Q/A
2014-01-10 01006, 2014
SultS
that question makes no sense looking at the previous answer
2014-01-10 01015, 2014
SultS
what to do after reading about how to vote?
2014-01-10 01022, 2014
SultS
use picard
2014-01-10 01017, 2014
SultS
afaik Picard doesn’t allow voting
2014-01-10 01053, 2014
SultS
btw, in my browser when there were lines between the questions, I saw less empty space than now
2014-01-10 01029, 2014
hawke
That one kinda references the whole previous FAQ which goes over the general concept of editing.
2014-01-10 01038, 2014
hawke
Is the empty space good or bad?
2014-01-10 01023, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
[19:22] <warp> dolphinling: right, but where do the releases go which are NOT official and NOT bootleg? what are they?
2014-01-10 01026, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
ooother??
2014-01-10 01032, 2014
SultS
it’s inefficient use of space, so bad
2014-01-10 01034, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
hmm
2014-01-10 01048, 2014
hawke
SultS: well, it can be good if it helps separate the questions.
2014-01-10 01056, 2014
hawke
But I just cleaned up some extra whitespace.
2014-01-10 01058, 2014
reosarevok
SultS: the lines are an eyesore though
2014-01-10 01010, 2014
reosarevok
If we can do it without lines but with less whitespace that'd be good :p
2014-01-10 01013, 2014
SultS
the lines separated the questions before
2014-01-10 01021, 2014
hawke
I think the lines are OK.
2014-01-10 01039, 2014
SultS
doesn’t have to be lines, just less wasted space :P
2014-01-10 01009, 2014
SultS
with less space, it should be still obvious where one question ends and another starts
2014-01-10 01059, 2014
reosarevok
The lines are OK if we want people to run away from the page
2014-01-10 01013, 2014
reosarevok
Which as nikki said, might be the best thing with the current content, but :p
2014-01-10 01033, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
yea I wouldn't expect the contence to be to the right
2014-01-10 01015, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
OK, so that's what we're supposed to do, now how do I do it?
2014-01-10 01016, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
The first thing to do is to download the MusicBrainz Picard Tagger. "
2014-01-10 01022, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
yep that's broken
2014-01-10 01004, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
"Browse though the releases to see if you find obvious mistakes: releases listed twice, "
2014-01-10 01029, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
that should probably NOt be in there, considering that we have duplicates for releasedates and such now
2014-01-10 01046, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
also "releases with missing tracks,"
2014-01-10 01001, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
this is why we get noobs adding "missing" bonus tracks to old releases
2014-01-10 01029, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
it should probably say "missing releases /singles" links to composers/writers/performers (link to explain hw to ad ars)
2014-01-10 01036, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and like "urls"
2014-01-10 01053, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and "If you submit a CD and the Disc ID is not found, and the server says that a matching title exists, but the track counts don't match, you may have found an error."
2014-01-10 01019, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
it's much more likly that the person is seeign a release with less tracks rather than an error release
2014-01-10 01043, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
also to remove all talk of freedb imports
2014-01-10 01008, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and not just talk about cd's but include vinyl/caassette
2014-01-10 01009, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
etc
2014-01-10 01009, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
Yes. Select all releases of a given type (e.g. "Live, Official") via the check-boxes, then enter a "Batch Operation" applying the appropriate release attributes to all selected releases."
2014-01-10 01018, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
man I miss batch operation
2014-01-10 01059, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
man this faq is old
2014-01-10 01019, 2014
reosarevok
It is, because it's horrible and nobody wanted to touch it :p
2014-01-10 01052, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
what we *need* to do is have a brainstorm and talk about what *actual* frequently asked questions are there
2014-01-10 01000, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
and answer them. wile the entire thing and start a new
2014-01-10 01008, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
(or put it in glorius history9
2014-01-10 01048, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
aah this movie is good, the cat came back, don't we have a server named baron?
2014-01-10 01054, 2014
reosarevok
We do
2014-01-10 01001, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
i always thought the big white cat is baron but he is muta
2014-01-10 01023, 2014
hawke
“I understand editing. What do I do next?” that seems better than “So that’s what we’re supposed to do”
2014-01-10 01035, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
good hawke ,that's a start
2014-01-10 01026, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
but now I need to go to bed if I am to do all the things I need to do tomorrow
2014-01-10 01042, 2014
ZaphodBeeblebrox
soon this nightmare is at an end and everything will be normal again
2014-01-10 01056, 2014
hawke
I don’t like that “How do I know if a release is wrong” question.
2014-01-10 01031, 2014
hawke
Actually that whole section kinda sucks
2014-01-10 01019, 2014
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2014-01-10 01058, 2014
hawke
There, I think the FAQ is now free of completely obsolete or wrong advice.
2014-01-10 01022, 2014
reosarevok
You mean you removed it?
2014-01-10 01029, 2014
reosarevok
:)
2014-01-10 01003, 2014
hawke
hah
2014-01-10 01004, 2014
hawke
No.
2014-01-10 01012, 2014
hawke
I think it’s pretty good now, actually. Care to review?
2014-01-10 01005, 2014
hawke
Still could use some stuff about recordings and relationships, but…
2014-01-10 01043, 2014
reosarevok
heh
2014-01-10 01045, 2014
reosarevok
"Look up your favorite artist and see if their name is spelled correctly"
2014-01-10 01001, 2014
reosarevok
I know that probably was there before, but :p
2014-01-10 01006, 2014
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2014-01-10 01020, 2014
reosarevok
"Look up your favorite artist and see if the info is correct and nothing is missing" maybe? :p
2014-01-10 01035, 2014
hawke
It was. Heh, I suppose we have a lot more than name now, don’t we.
2014-01-10 01044, 2014
hawke
Hmm, I should add something about subscriptions there too.
2014-01-10 01056, 2014
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2014-01-10 01009, 2014
hawke
Some of those obvious mistakes don’t seem all that common. Can’t think of when I’ve seen a release with tracks listed twice.
2014-01-10 01050, 2014
reosarevok
I have (a duplicate medium :p)
2014-01-10 01051, 2014
reosarevok
But yeah
2014-01-10 01008, 2014
reosarevok
They're mistakes for a different age
2014-01-10 01025, 2014
hawke
what are 'common' mistakes? Missing label/barcode I know is one.
2014-01-10 01030, 2014
reosarevok
An age of automatic freedb imports, probably :p
2014-01-10 01049, 2014
hawke
yep. :-D
2014-01-10 01028, 2014
reosarevok
Missing label/barcode, feat. in titles, wrong caps (although I'm not sure I want to say that or they'd "fix" non-English ones...)
2014-01-10 01047, 2014
hawke grumbles about the Japanese Exception.
2014-01-10 01051, 2014
reosarevok
And of course works and relationships and whatever if they're feeling like it
2014-01-10 01022, 2014
hawke
Yeah, I don’t quite feel like tackling relationships. :-D
2014-01-10 01049, 2014
hawke
But I guess saying 'add the complete credits' won’t hurt.
2014-01-10 01005, 2014
reosarevok
Well, link to How to Use the Relationship Editor and that's it :p
2014-01-10 01003, 2014
hawke
oh, we have one of those? ;-)
2014-01-10 01023, 2014
reosarevok
bitmap wrote it
2014-01-10 01039, 2014
reosarevok
(he was going to put pictures in it but he never did :p)
2014-01-10 01014, 2014
hawke
Well, good call for linking to that.
2014-01-10 01056, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
hawke: What's to grumble about?
2014-01-10 01025, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
there was talk about extending it to Korean a while back
2014-01-10 01041, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
but the proposed guidelines were never implements
2014-01-10 01046, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
implemented*
2014-01-10 01052, 2014
hawke
HibiscusKazeneko: The silly “all caps is always allowed” thing.
2014-01-10 01003, 2014
HibiscusKazeneko
It's not silly; it's artist intent
2014-01-10 01017, 2014
hawke
Not always.
2014-01-10 01050, 2014
reosarevok
Well, it's supposed to be done if other places like websites etc agree with it, right? In which case it does sound like intent
