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idk, probably can be done better http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Release/Packaging

hmm. we appear to have a character type now

I suppose I should apply the doc updates

hey guys

where's the doc about the missing tables?

I couldn't find anything about tags, images and such things

let's say, metadata in general

and I loaded the datadump, but table tag for example is empty

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Could someone please take a look at http://musicbrainz.org/release/47a1a8cd-3197-47... and point out where it doesn't satisfy CSG?

ryanakca: the only thing I can think of is the lack of " " around the opera lines

ryanakca: also please add the relationships only where they apply - not every singer sings on every track :)

reosarevok: Alas, I don't know Aida sufficiently well to know which character sings on which track. The sleeve only lists "Character / Singer / (soprano/bass/tenor/etc)". I'll try to see if there's a standardised listing of which character sings where.

Hmm

The normal choice there would be adding them at the release level

But of course that wouldn't work too well once merged into the whole set :/

*nod*

I mean, you can compare against a libretto (http://opera.stanford.edu/Verdi/Aida/libretto_i... for example) if willing to make the effort

So, titles in the tracklist should be, e.g., « Aida: Act III: "O patria mia" »?

Yeah, ideally, but it seems fairly minor

Alright, thanks for taking a look. I was just curious because my edit received a note telling me to look at the CSG, which I thought I had been following.

Yeah

Senax will eventually answer anyway, I think

a few days ago in this channel, I asked what people thought about using a stack overflow clone instead of [mb-style]. Now I'm wondering, if half the threads would be closed as "not constructive / not a good fit".

https://musicbrainz.org/artist/3d4b14da-8700-4c... lol disambiguation

CallerNo6: most :p

simukis_: the disambiguation is not that uncommon in content

(the ALL CAPS form of it is, but :) )

hmm, nope.

CallerNo6: dunno about style but it'd be nice for replacing the wiki faqs and a lot of the forum threads (the "how do I ...?" sort, mainly)

nikki: could be. But if it would only be useful for some things, of course, we'd be going from "too many channels" to "too many channels plus one".

yes, that's the main downside

grr. I still can't believe nobody has solved this problem.

wouldn’t it be same amount of channels?

Only if we close the wiki and/or the forum

with merging mb-style and part of the forum it shouldn’t

Oh, true, but that would only mean more people who think they can shout to get what they want get in style

So that might work once we change how style works :p

I feel like I should just leave

idk, I haven’t noticed a huge amount of activity in mb-style… at least not by huge amount of people

SultS: exactly, and it's already kinda toxic :p

well, maybe then the change is needed :P

Sure, but opening a toxic process to more people doesn't exactly help, so we should reform the process too

I don’t even know how it’s toxic, but I don’t follow everything that goes on over there

I'm tempted to delete my account. Should I?

reosarevok, the point of moving style (in my mind) to a stack overflow system is less shouting, more up/down-voting

CallerNo6: that would require moving from consensus to voting (which migth be a good change, but has to be decided)

HibiscusKazeneko: what happened?

this whole mess with catalog numbers

and the whole translated work fiasco

it was a couple of months ago

SultS: many things are decided by who shouts the loudest and takes longer to get tired about arguing

s/about/of/

well, even if decisions weren't made by voting, arguments could be. to gauge support better than a mishmash of +/-1 posts

But (as usual) I'm just thinking out loud.

CallerNo6: *I* would be much happier with voting (or just discussion) + the people who actually implement stuff having the final say

But people might shout

I as a non‐active style user would be interested in that more

reosarevok: http://musicbrainz.org/edit/24922758

there's more I'm still trying to dig up

mess? fiasco? It might feel like that some times, but we're all on the same team more or less.

it was a disaster

and it may actually be illegal in the US

I remember reading about some legislation Martha Wash pushed to pass after Milli Vanilli were outed

the laws made it mandatory to credit all vocalists, at the very least

CallerNo6: We're not on the same team. Hawke and I were ganged up on.

It's okay to disagree. We still all want the same thing. A good, useable database. :-)

(at least, I hope so)

It's no longer OK if people pass destructive measures behind everyone's back and then foist it on us.

I have a mountain of photographic and physical evidence showing that adding hyphens to post-1989 SMEJ releases is wrong.

As a matter of fact, I took inventory on all such CDs I own and none of them use hyphens in the catalog number.

But nooooooo, Yindesu and friends decided that wasn't good enough.

that doesn't mean hyphens in the catalog number are wrong, it just means those CDs don't have them.