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      • ZaphodBeeblebrox
        idk, probably can be done better http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Release/Packaging

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      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm. we appear to have a character type now

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      • kepstin-laptop
        I suppose I should apply the doc updates

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      • kepstin-laptop promises to have that done tomorrow, when he's actually awake :)

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      • Wixy
        hey guys

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      • Wixy
        where's the doc about the missing tables?

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      • Wixy
        I couldn't find anything about tags, images and such things

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      • Wixy
        let's say, metadata in general

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      • Wixy
        and I loaded the datadump, but table tag for example is empty

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        Users on #musicbrainz: MBChatLogger ruaok zas ryanakca Whz MightyJay derwin jruzz Tecfan joris

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        Users on #musicbrainz: frewsxcv balrog Afterster nikki JJLvK sulky MClemo navap nano- D4RK-PH0ENiX Fluke demosdemon teh_rasterer Muz shardz teeberg zoid01 joshk leonardo lidel Scuttle warp murdos yvesr rubin110 mat_ bitmap luks_ PeepoUK ManiacTwister mr_maxis danoply Jormangeud DWSR _flow_ storrgie CatCat Tykling madmouse El_Rico- gnu_andrew bricas Vorpal Clint

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      • ryanakca
        Could someone please take a look at http://musicbrainz.org/release/47a1a8cd-3197-473b… and point out where it doesn't satisfy CSG?

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      • reosarevok
        ryanakca: the only thing I can think of is the lack of " " around the opera lines

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      • reosarevok
        ryanakca: also please add the relationships only where they apply - not every singer sings on every track :)

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      • ryanakca
        reosarevok: Alas, I don't know Aida sufficiently well to know which character sings on which track. The sleeve only lists "Character / Singer / (soprano/bass/tenor/etc)". I'll try to see if there's a standardised listing of which character sings where.

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      • reosarevok
        Hmm

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      • reosarevok
        The normal choice there would be adding them at the release level

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      • reosarevok
        But of course that wouldn't work too well once merged into the whole set :/

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      • ryanakca
        *nod*

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      • reosarevok
        I mean, you can compare against a libretto (http://opera.stanford.edu/Verdi/Aida/libretto_ie.… for example) if willing to make the effort

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      • ryanakca
        So, titles in the tracklist should be, e.g., « Aida: Act III: "O patria mia" »?

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      • ryanakca
        Which is relatively labour intensive. I'll eventually get around to it, but not in the immediate future.

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      • reosarevok
        Yeah, ideally, but it seems fairly minor

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      • ryanakca
        Alright, thanks for taking a look. I was just curious because my edit received a note telling me to look at the CSG, which I thought I had been following.

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      • reosarevok
        Yeah

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      • reosarevok
        Senax will eventually answer anyway, I think

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      • CallerNo6
        a few days ago in this channel, I asked what people thought about using a stack overflow clone instead of [mb-style]. Now I'm wondering, if half the threads would be closed as "not constructive / not a good fit".

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      • simukis_
        https://musicbrainz.org/artist/3d4b14da-8700-4c21… lol disambiguation

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      • reosarevok
        CallerNo6: most :p

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      • reosarevok
        simukis_: the disambiguation is not that uncommon in content

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      • reosarevok
        (the ALL CAPS form of it is, but :) )

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      • kepstin-laptop wonders if jesus2099 had a hand in that, it's his style ;)

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      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm, nope.

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      • kepstin-laptop has been going around setting artists to type:character :)

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      • nikki
        CallerNo6: dunno about style but it'd be nice for replacing the wiki faqs and a lot of the forum threads (the "how do I ...?" sort, mainly)

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      • CallerNo6
        nikki: could be. But if it would only be useful for some things, of course, we'd be going from "too many channels" to "too many channels plus one".

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      • nikki
        yes, that's the main downside

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      • CallerNo6
        grr. I still can't believe nobody has solved this problem.

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      • SultS
        wouldn’t it be same amount of channels?

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      • reosarevok
        Only if we close the wiki and/or the forum

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      • SultS
        with merging mb-style and part of the forum it shouldn’t

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      • reosarevok
        Oh, true, but that would only mean more people who think they can shout to get what they want get in style

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      • reosarevok
        So that might work once we change how style works :p

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I feel like I should just leave

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      • SultS
        idk, I haven’t noticed a huge amount of activity in mb-style… at least not by huge amount of people

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      • reosarevok
        SultS: exactly, and it's already kinda toxic :p

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      • SultS
        well, maybe then the change is needed :P

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      • reosarevok
        Sure, but opening a toxic process to more people doesn't exactly help, so we should reform the process too

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      • SultS
        I don’t even know how it’s toxic, but I don’t follow everything that goes on over there

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I'm tempted to delete my account. Should I?

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      • CallerNo6
        reosarevok, the point of moving style (in my mind) to a stack overflow system is less shouting, more up/down-voting

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      • reosarevok
        CallerNo6: that would require moving from consensus to voting (which migth be a good change, but has to be decided)

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      • reosarevok
        HibiscusKazeneko: what happened?

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        this whole mess with catalog numbers

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        and the whole translated work fiasco

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      • reosarevok missed that

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        it was a couple of months ago

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      • reosarevok
        SultS: many things are decided by who shouts the loudest and takes longer to get tired about arguing

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      • reosarevok
        s/about/of/

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      • CallerNo6
        well, even if decisions weren't made by voting, arguments could be. to gauge support better than a mishmash of +/-1 posts

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      • CallerNo6
        But (as usual) I'm just thinking out loud.

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      • reosarevok
        CallerNo6: *I* would be much happier with voting (or just discussion) + the people who actually implement stuff having the final say

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      • reosarevok
        But people might shout

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      • SultS
        I as a non‐active style user would be interested in that more

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        reosarevok: http://musicbrainz.org/edit/24922758

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        there's more I'm still trying to dig up

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      • CallerNo6
        mess? fiasco? It might feel like that some times, but we're all on the same team more or less.

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        http://musicbrainz.org/edit/25004215

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        it was a disaster

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        and it may actually be illegal in the US

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I remember reading about some legislation Martha Wash pushed to pass after Milli Vanilli were outed

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        the laws made it mandatory to credit all vocalists, at the very least

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        CallerNo6: We're not on the same team. Hawke and I were ganged up on.

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      • CallerNo6
        It's okay to disagree. We still all want the same thing. A good, useable database. :-)

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      • CallerNo6
        (at least, I hope so)

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        It's no longer OK if people pass destructive measures behind everyone's back and then foist it on us.

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I have a mountain of photographic and physical evidence showing that adding hyphens to post-1989 SMEJ releases is wrong.

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        As a matter of fact, I took inventory on all such CDs I own and none of them use hyphens in the catalog number.

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      • HibiscusKazeneko
        But nooooooo, Yindesu and friends decided that wasn't good enough.

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      • warp
        that doesn't mean hyphens in the catalog number are wrong, it just means those CDs don't have them.