#musicbrainz

Web based instant audio conference. I was very impressed with the quality (YMMV depending on hardware). http://voicechatapi.com/

I wonder what it would be like to run a weekly dev chat via voice

[01:56] reosarevokOn CD, I have no idea how to deal with it

just got an idea

why not add a separate "medium" to the release with the video racks?

tecnically it's in a differnt thing on the cd

well i dunno. it's called

[01:56] reosarevokSome people add a second "digital media" medium

lol didn't read

so yea. a second medium :D

kloeri|fosdem: Yo!

kloeri|fosdem: Go find Rob and the other MB guys that are at FOSDEM and talk to them! :p

\o/

kloeri|fosdem: (And invite Rob to come speak at OpenSource Days... O;))

at first i read that as a sad ;O face and not a winking angle face

as a reversed sad O; face

I always do smileys left-to-right. Except for D:... but it's hard to make a mirrored D to come after the colon.

Freso: any idea where to find them? :)

Freso: I don't have anything to do with OSD anymore unfortunately

Freso: yea, like most people, I, unlike most people am weird, i just recently realised I'd sorted my cd's right-to-left instead of the other way around

kloeri|fosdem: look for the big guy with the weird colourful hair

XD

there's 5000+ people across a largish area - I'm sure a few people fit that description :)

you haven't seen rob srsly

probably not

more seriously, is there any musicbrainz talks or anything at FOSDEM?

one of the first hits on google images http://wmf.editthispage.com/pictures/viewer$2906

thats the kind you're looking for

hah

jeg vet ikke hvad slags han har nå

I'll see if I can run into him

should be able recognise him at least :)

kloeri|fosdem: You should be, yeah. ;) Who's else there? ocharles, and... ?

warp perhaps?

Yep

would be nice meeting those people :)

All links in editor should really be target="_blank"

usability +115%

IIRC some people were against it for some reason I fail to understand

I see why one would not use it anywhere else in MB, but in editor that’s more or less critical.

Doesn't just going back work?

Anyway, yeah, I asked for the release editor to do the same the relationship editor does at least (confirm you want to navigate away)

nope. Tracklist goes empty.

although all data entered before tracklist is perserved.

Let's see how the new editor deals with that, since it'll be a one-load-only JS thingy

(that should be ready in a couple weeks I think)

reosarevok: Oh? I made a patch a while ago fixing a small bunch of links to use the _blank target.

I didn't get any opposition of it.

I can't remember which of the edit pages it was for though.

And no going back doesn't work in most cases where the form elements are dependent on JavaScript.

*And no,

simukis_: http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-5651

Freso: Yeah, In my case entering artist data and (in credits) going to artist page will forget any tracklist data I've entered so far.

simukis_: File a ticket and/or go fix it and make a pull request.

I partly linked that ticket so you could go and look at how I went about fixing the link(s).

Freso: that'd be a wasted effort if the new editor comes out several weeks later.

Hello

anyone?

TrigonaMinima: If you have a question, just ask.

I want to edit the database via a python script, but "How to contribute" section does not show anything like that.

is there any way?

Well, all editing needs to go through the site right now

So, not really, unless you write/modify a python bot (there is one somewhere in github)

Is this the one - https://github.com/alastair/python-musicbrainzngs ?

No, that's not a bot

That's for querying the web service

I think it's https://github.com/lalinsky/musicbrainz-bot

What would you want to mass-edit anyway?

TrigonaMinima: Also: https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Bots and https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Code_of_Conduct/Bots

I am from India and as I saw there weren't many matches found on picard for hindi songs. So I wanted to fetch songs data from the sites from where I can download the songs and update the database.

Fetching part is almost over.

Ok, a question. Let's take this release http://musicbrainz.org/release/97a99ab0-816f-4d.... On back cover `label #` is clearly written as `YSE 017` (just above the barcode). DiscoGS uses strange `YSE *-(D)CD`-like # for volumes I've seen util now, while yet elsewhere it is yet again different permutation of YSE, 017 and random letters. Would it be sensible to simply use (and change already entered releases) to use `YSE xxx` or `YSE-xx

TrigonaMinima: if you're going to add releases, I'd suggest not doing it fully automated. Either write an importer (you can seed the release editor, see http://musicbrainz.org/doc/Development/Release_...) and make a last check by hand before entering, or at least add only a few dozen per day and review that they look good

Having more data is certainly good, mind, but we'd just love to ensure it looks fine :)

simukis_: that specific one at least seems to clearly be without -CD

Maybe the medium has -CD written on it?

If not, no idea where it came from

Both of mediums have.

But then, again, it's the release label #, not medium.

Well sure, but anywhere on the release that's still a catno

s/mediums/media

I don't really have a particularly useful opinion here - I'd be fine with standardising to only one of them, but no idea which one really

Someone who does edit this kind of music would be more helpful :)

Is there any particular reason for not having an API ?

For editing?

One is that someone would have to write it

The other is that (at least until recently) the community didn't particularly trust mass-editing anyway

I'm not sure whether that has changed

But mostly, really, is that, that we're tiny and nobody has written it

(it's in the plans, eventually)

Yes for editing. And if there's a doubt for correctness of the editings (for autoediting on a mass level) then it can always be limited to a few number.

\o/ for more non-western centric editors

Can this be done as a GSoC Project ? I mean is making an API big enough for a proj ?

I imagine it would be big enough, yes - I don't know if it would fit for this year because I don't remember what other changes we were supposed to make before it

But you can certainly suggest it

Is there any feature list or bug list ?

TrigonaMinima: For mass editing/data importing/digesting, the current goal is to use Geordi. I'm not sure if that's applicable for wherever you're importing your data from though.

TrigonaMinima: However, mass-adding of data is generally untrusted, since it has a bad history of adding... less than pristine data.

You will usually need a set of human eyes on all added releases to ensure the style guidelines are being adhered to. ( https://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Style )

E.g., capitalisation for titles in Latin script, formatting of titles, proper use of attributes, etc.

Thus, an importer, as reosarevok suggested, is far preferred, though a bot that adds a few releases that can then be looked over before making a new batch I guess could also work.

This is unlikely to change with an API, though an API would enable better/custom importers (e.g., instead of just feeding the release editor) as well as client-side editing, such as queing up edits while offline and then sending them off when reestablishing a connection.

But more or less blindly mass-adding data will probably never be favoured by the community.

Yeah, I am asking for that. I mean instead of needing human hands to add more data, they can be used in checking them. And i think this will make it easier and quicker only (provided the API or bot adds a few releases only ).

And having an API will bring more people in editing , I guess.

The same thing could be achieved by letting people simply provide an URI to other metadata website and MB pulling down + parsing all the data before editing process.

Sadly no

I am sorry, but I am not following...

reosarevok: in what way iTunes are capable of enforcing their ToS in this aspect?

Well, they're certainly able to block us from their affiliate program

They'll probably not go and sue us for it or anything (but if they did we'd have no money to fight back and would be forced to shut down, which means it probably won't happen anyway :p)

oh yeah, I forgot MB is in US…

Indeed :(