So I guess the work has to be named "Szomorú Vasárnap" (hungarian?), "Mratschnoje Woskresenje" certainly being a russian transaltion transliterated in latin script.
2014-03-04 06336, 2014
oloP
(the release is from a russian artist)
2014-03-04 06344, 2014
oloP
(released in germany)
2014-03-04 06317, 2014
oloP
Now, if all of this is right, how do I keep track of everything in musicbrainz? only with edit comments?
2014-03-04 06325, 2014
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2014-03-04 06350, 2014
nikki
works can have aliases, so if there are multiple titles, you can just add the others as aliases
2014-03-04 06340, 2014
oloP
tanks, I didn't notice that.
2014-03-04 06336, 2014
oloP
and if a lyrics have been translated, it's not the same work anymore, right?
2014-03-04 06340, 2014
reosarevok
Indeed
2014-03-04 06341, 2014
nikki
right
2014-03-04 06329, 2014
oloP
thanks
2014-03-04 06314, 2014
oloP
"The legend behind this song is that if you listen to it, then you will soon after commit suicide." not sure I want to work on this anymore.
2014-03-04 06308, 2014
reosarevok
hahaha
2014-03-04 06326, 2014
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oloP
"recorded 1931 in London" <- I guess that's a relationship between a recording and an area?
2014-03-04 06346, 2014
nikki
yes
2014-03-04 06323, 2014
oloP
the date going in "begin date"?
2014-03-04 06358, 2014
reosarevok
Both
2014-03-04 06308, 2014
reosarevok
They started and finished recording it in 1931 :)
2014-03-04 06325, 2014
oloP
right
2014-03-04 06353, 2014
oloP
well f**k
2014-03-04 06332, 2014
oloP
I didn't notice but the work already exists…
2014-03-04 06333, 2014
reosarevok
heh
2014-03-04 06335, 2014
reosarevok
Well merge it :)
2014-03-04 06304, 2014
oloP
the guy who wrote the music for the "suicide song" died on my birthday.
So you'd like to use rap only when it's specifically credited as such then? :p
2014-03-04 06304, 2014
nikki
that'd work for me :P
2014-03-04 06305, 2014
reosarevok_
(like it was proposed with mini-album)
2014-03-04 06309, 2014
Lotheric
yep or if there's a unanimous vote
2014-03-04 06316, 2014
reosarevok_
Because funnily that'd exclude pretty much every rap album
2014-03-04 06345, 2014
Lotheric
you can just leave it as vocals for edge cases
2014-03-04 06352, 2014
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Lotheric
imho
2014-03-04 06331, 2014
nikki
it's probably not as important for rap albums anyway
2014-03-04 06351, 2014
nikki
at least we added the solo attribute even though there's lots of stuff that's all solo
2014-03-04 06325, 2014
nikki
not that I claim to know the slightest thing about actual rap albums :P
2014-03-04 06304, 2014
CallerNo6 resists the urge to ask "what's an album?"
2014-03-04 06349, 2014
nikki
it could be a single
2014-03-04 06353, 2014
nikki
or an ep or mini-album :P
2014-03-04 06321, 2014
reosarevok_
nikki: sure, but "solo" is described as "playing a solo *part*", which means an all-solo thing doesn't really apply anyway
2014-03-04 06318, 2014
reosarevok_
I just mean that if you need it to be credited as "rap" to use the attribute, then it'll be weird since almost no rap albums will ever credit the vocalist at all (apart from it being the main AC) and if they do it will be just as vocals, most of the time
2014-03-04 06328, 2014
reosarevok_
But if you don't, then you need to define what rap actually is
2014-03-04 06331, 2014
nikki
you could still argue that if it's all solo, it's just that all of the parts are solo and therefore it's a solo part :P
2014-03-04 06355, 2014
Freso
I like Lotheric's approach.
2014-03-04 06342, 2014
nikki
I'd be fine with just using it for stuff credited as rap and if people who edit rap want to use it, they're welcome to figure out how it should be used and if they don't want to use it, they can continue not using it because it's not credited :P
2014-03-04 06352, 2014
Lotheric
it can be good to be specific when a track features a rapper and a singer
2014-03-04 06300, 2014
Lotheric
so you know who raps and who sings
2014-03-04 06324, 2014
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reosarevok_
So, what happens with a dancehall track that features a singer and a deejay? :p
2014-03-04 06322, 2014
Lotheric
I'd like to be able to credit "scratches" as well (not sure how)
2014-03-04 06332, 2014
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Lotheric
right now I use "instrument turntables"
2014-03-04 06334, 2014
reosarevok_
Isn't that what instrument: turntables is for?
2014-03-04 06311, 2014
reosarevok_
You don't credit "string plucking", you credit guitar...
2014-03-04 06321, 2014
CallerNo6 hopes we don't get to a point where we're trying to define "rap".
2014-03-04 06353, 2014
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Lotheric
reosarevok_: I understand your logic but in most hip hop album, they often credit it as "scratchs"
2014-03-04 06321, 2014
reosarevok_
It's still the same thing though
2014-03-04 06340, 2014
Lotheric
you can mix with turntables, you can beat juggle, you can scratch, cut, sample, etc
2014-03-04 06353, 2014
Freso
reosarevok_: If all we get is "rap" I would put both dancehall/reggae toasting and grime rapping under it, btw.
2014-03-04 06341, 2014
Lotheric
reo is turntable really an instrument though ? it doesn't "make" sounds, it plays them, sounds are made in other ways and recorded
2014-03-04 06344, 2014
reosarevok_
Yeah, and quite often they do something that isn't really scratch but still call it scratch, in my experience :p
