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      • crism
        Is there an easy way to access edit history from an API? I’m considering a retagger that will update the metadata in music files iff MBz has newer information, but I don’t see a way to check the most recent update for a track (and associated release and artist).
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      • crism
        Maybe in the HTTP response headers?
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      • crism
        Hmm, no… the HTTP headers don’t have any cache directives or time metadata, and the XML is also void of any history metadata.
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      • Zastai
        is mbsandbox.org an official dev server?
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      • Freso
        crism: The edit history is not exposed via any API.
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      • Freso
        crism: There have been some work done for doing what you're trying to do.
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      • Freso
        But I don't know the status of that.
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      • Freso
        ruaok might know when he's around.
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      • Freso
        Uh. Was the MusicMoz relationship deprecated?
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      • Freso
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      • Freso
        I don't see anything on -style.
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      • Freso
        But it does say so on the relationship page... When was it deprecated.
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      • Freso
        STYLE-110 it seems.
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      • SultS_
        Freso: I didn’t even know this relationship existed, before I saw all the edits today changing them :P
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      • Freso
        I've used it before.
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      • reosarevok
        You mean someone uses musicmoz?
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      • SultS_
        never heard of the site before either… maybe it used to be a thing?
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      • SultS_
        in 2005 or so…
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      • SultS_
        btw, what status should http://www.discogs.com/release/742055 be? “This album was intended to be released as HEDK003 in 1999, but was later released in 2000 together with other tracks with the name HEDK013 Simplicity 2000” It seems like it was never actually released, yet it seems to very much exist
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      • SultS_
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      • Freso
        reosarevok: I used [the relationship] before. :)
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      • reosarevok
        SultS_: that looks too fancy not to be official
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      • reosarevok
        Plus if 40 people have it, it has to have been distributed in some way?
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      • SultS_
        I’m not sure. But people indeed seem to have it
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      • SultS_
        It seems OK to merge the release groups though… probably toward the non‐release
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      • SultS_
        (they have identical CD1)
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      • Freso
        Btw, I think "approve" 'votes' should count as votes in the statistic too. :|
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      • Freso
        Oh, reosarevok btw.
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      • reosarevok hides
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      • Freso
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      • Freso
        Do you know why those start/end dates comments weren't ported over from the wiki to the site?
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      • reosarevok
        Freso: yes, because nobody was using them, we felt they were dumb and hoped nobody would notice :p
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      • Freso
        Why were they dumb?
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      • reosarevok
        Because forcing people to re-enter the birth date of the artist (which is what that'll be in 99% of the cases) for the 1% where the date has some small significance is absurd (hence why nobody was doing it anyway)
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      • Freso
        Also, it's a bit backhanded to change what's effectively a style guideline without going through -style, isn't it?
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      • Freso
        There's no forcing anybody to do it.
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      • reosarevok
        It being there means people are *expected* to add it, whether they do or not
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      • Freso
        But it comes in quite handy for e.g. adopted people, as CatCat noticed.
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      • Freso shrugs
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      • reosarevok
        It not being there means if anyone cares, they can still add them, while nobody can get shouted at for "not doing it right"
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      • reosarevok
        I imagine I'd be OK with keeping the bit about adopted stuff there
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      • reosarevok
        We kinda ignored the extra baggage on those rels a bit because it was mostly passed at Brian's insistence at the time where people just let him add whatever not to have to read his mails
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      • reosarevok
        (and nobody else since seemed to care about it, as shown by both no dates being used for the rels almost ever, and nobody ever mentioning the -step thing again)
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      • Freso just approved 1087 edits
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      • reosarevok
        ...
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      • reosarevok
        wow
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      • reosarevok
        What was it?
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      • Freso
        Replacing MusicMoz relationships with generic db ones. :)
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      • reosarevok
        Wow, someone had been doing all that work?
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      • Freso
        Yeah.
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      • reosarevok
        Nice!
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      • nikki
        how long before we can split it back out? :P
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      • Freso
        nikki: Check?
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      • nikki
        ?
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      • Freso
        They might have done them all.
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      • Freso
        nikki: The database or whatever.
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      • Freso
        If there are more left.
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      • nikki shrugs
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      • nikki
        the stats will update later if you really want to know if they're all gone
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      • reosarevok
        nikki: well, until bitmap or something writes the definitive URL editor :p
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      • nikki
        that doesn't change my opinion that other databases is a bad relationship
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      • SultS
        anyone recognize language in this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIum6CV3XVk ?
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      • Freso
        SultS: It's not just English with a ton of reverb? Also, I'm not sure I'd call it a song.
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      • Freso
        It doesn't seem to me like the lyrical part of the vocals have any significance to the piece.
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      • SultS
        maybe English? I’m not recognizing any words though
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      • Freso
        I don't know. Write the artist and ask?
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      • SultS
        too much work :)
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      • SultS
        thanks though :)
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      • SultS
        he had one song in spanish so I thought maybe this is as well
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      • Freso
        It might be.
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      • Freso
        I can't discern any lyrics from it at all.
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      • Freso
        It could be Danish for all I know.
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      • reosarevok
        It does have some ES/PT cadence to it, but yeah, I couldn't make out any lyrics either
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      • SultS
        maybe it’s just gibberish / made up words
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      • Freso
        "The page you are looking for had a HUGE night and is recuperating for another one." ... what?
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      • Freso
        (Afterlife's "official homepage" per MB.)
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      • SultS
        haha, I read that too… though :P
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      • SultS
        thought it was a temp thing
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      • SultS
        and there was another official link somewhere
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      • SultS
        lemme see
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      • SultS
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      • SultS
        I would say MB entry is not that official anyway… it’s more like a label page for the artist
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      • Freso
        I'm going to write them then.
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      • xplat
        is it necessary to create a work to add a lyricist or composer to a recording?
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      • nikki
        yes
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      • xplat
        thanks
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      • xplat
        are there any guidelines on when to apply an arrangement relationship to a work and when to apply it to a recording?
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      • reosarevok
        For classical, yes
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      • reosarevok
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      • reosarevok
        For non-classical, it's pretty much always use the recording
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      • kepstin-laptop
        for non-classical, you want to put it on the recording in most cases. (If you have a good case for putting it on the work, go ahead, but say why in the edit note)
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      • xplat
        ah, thanks both
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