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      • [[mll]]
        hi there. I have 2 questions.
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      • [[mll]]
        1. on a recording, I have a "haunte-contr" singer. French word. What would be the right vocal attribute in MB ? (I'm not sure "contralto" is appropriate, since wikipedia has 2 different articles for them).
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      • [[mll]]
        2. I'm converting http://musicbrainz.org/release/c3ecc897-2007-4658… by first adding AR to the recordings. At the moment, they're cleanly in the recording title (example : "Ave verum corpus, K. 618 (feat. London Classical Players, Schutz Choir of London, Roger Norrington)"), so does someone know some greasmonkey script or other magical stuuf th automate this chore a bit ?
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      • [[mll]]
        *haute-contre, sorry
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      • Nyanko-sensei
        good night :3
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      • Freso
        Hibiscus, in case you're reading logs: and that is exactly the point of those examples in the first place.
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      • Freso
        [[mll]]: I think there was some discussion at one point concluding that we don't have a 1:1 attribute for haute-contra singers.
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      • Freso
        *vocalists
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      • [[mll]]
        ok. so that's sometinh that MB lacks ? should-I add my +1 on a ticket ?
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      • Freso
        Possibly.
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      • Freso
        I'm not sure if it ended up on a ticket or not or how to proceed with it.
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      • Freso doesn't follow classical stuff all that closely
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      • Krystof
        oh hello
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      • Krystof
        [[mll]]: what's the recording (on which you have an haute-contre)?
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      • Krystof
        perhaps a better question might be "who is the singer"?
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      • Krystof
        the best translation into english with no extra information is "counter-tenor", but in the last 10 years or so some performers have been singing haute-contre parts with (english) tenor voices
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      • Krystof
        it would be hard to describe Paul Agnew, for example, as a "counter-tenor", even though he's clearly an "haute-contre"
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      • [[mll]]
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      • Krystof
        I would describe Gerard Lesne as a counter-tenor in English
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      • Krystof
        (also: I love that recording :)
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      • [[mll]]
        French wikipedia clearly states "haute-contre" is obsolete : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haute-contre
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      • Krystof
        (that track on your recording is probably the same recording as one of these --http://musicbrainz.org/release/0d03dedd-5af7-4315-97ff-da9c2eb7c340 )
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      • Krystof
        um, it's obsolete in the same way that the music itself is obsolete
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      • Krystof
        we still have Roman roads even though the Romans are "obsolete"
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      • Krystof
        it can't be obsolete to describe people's voices as haute-contre, because people and companies in the published record actually do do so
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      • [[mll]]
        Actually thet talk about an anachronisme : "Bien que s'apparentant � la tessiture d'un t�nor aigu, ranger les hautes-contre dans cette cat�gorie constitue un anachronisme, tout comme qualifier de haute-contre un chanteur moderne"
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      • [[mll]]
        well, I guess haute-contres should be mentioned as tenor vocals
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      • Krystof
        why do you guess that?
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      • Krystof
        I think that Gerard Lesne is a falsettist (so not a tenor)
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      • [[mll]]
        "The haute-contre (plural hautes-contre) is a rare type of high tenor voice" source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haute-contre
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      • Krystof
        sure, but that describes the "anachronistic" description
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      • [[mll]]
        and as mentioned above, franch WP talks about a "t�nor aigu" (hig-pitched tenor)
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      • Krystof
        sure. But you have something that "doesn't exist": a modern haute-contre
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      • [[mll]]
        so what's your take ?
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      • Krystof
        (I disagree with the premise that you're starting with :-)
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      • [[mll]]
        and btw, why does your release have no AR to Lesne ?
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      • Krystof
        my preference in order: describe it as "haute-contre vocals" (because that's what written on the disc)
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      • Krystof
        describe it as "counter-tenor vocals" (because that's Lesne's vocal production type)
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      • Krystof
        describe it as "tenor vocals" (because that's what is arguably suggested by Wikipedia)
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      • Krystof
        (the Wikipedia-based "tenor" choice is a distant third)
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      • Krystof
        [[mll]]: probably because I typed it in before ARs existed in musicbrainz
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      • Krystof
        actually, no, it wasn't me :)
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      • [[mll]]
        ok, I'll do it and merche the recordings
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      • [[mll]]
        *merge
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      • Krystof
        cool. Thanks!
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      • [[mll]]
        is counter-tenor higher than a tenor ?
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      • [[mll]]
        yes as per WP
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      • Krystof
        LGTM
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      • JESUS2099
        Freso: hi, i already fixed the // for decoda.com a little whle ago
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      • xplat
        is there some kind of index of MBz-related userscripts?
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      • reosarevok
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      • reosarevok
        But since userscripts.org suddenly decided that fuck that, we'll break all those links, no, I don't think there's anything now
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      • xplat
        :(
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      • reosarevok
        Oh
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      • reosarevok
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      • reosarevok
        (from last November, but)
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      • chirlu`
        Fascinatingly, they still use these links on their own pages.
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      • xplat
        that cat looks almost as annoyed about the whole thing as i am
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      • xplat
        (i look like this: ⱺ⃕_̍ⱺ⃔ )
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      • chirlu`
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      • reosarevok
        Heh
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      • reosarevok
        I guess
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      • reosarevok
        It does include some irrelevant stuff, and probably misses some relevant stuff
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      • reosarevok
        But it probably has most stuff
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      • SultS
        http://userscripts.org/tags/musicbrainz doesn’t work for people? I have had 0 problems with it
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      • xplat
        i get 'server error'
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      • SultS
        what browser?
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      • xplat
        ff
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      • SultS
        that’s what I use…
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      • SultS
        and the page loads just fine
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      • xplat
        20.0 for ubuntu
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      • SultS
        23 win8
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      • SultS
        hmm… it’s broken in opera
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      • reosarevok
        Has been broken in Chrome for ages
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      • SultS
        oh, maybe it requires you to be logged in
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      • SultS
        I logged out and it broke
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      • SultS
        yeah, logged back in and it works again
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      • xplat
        hm, that at least makes sense
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      • SultS
        how so?
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      • xplat
        that it's not a browser issue (server error is a weird result for that) and that the links are still used
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      • SultS
        doesn’t make sense for me for it to break when user is not logged in though :)
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      • xplat
        only 17 import scripts for mbz and half of them are obsolete :I
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      • reosarevok
        haha
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      • reosarevok
        Just how many places do you want to import from anyway?
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      • reosarevok
        In my experience iTunes + Bandcamp + Discogs covers most stuff - I guess if you do Japanese stuff maybe not though
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      • xplat
        the correct question is 'just how much do you hate typing things?'
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      • reosarevok
        haha
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      • xplat
        discogs will help, the other stuff not so much
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      • xplat
        vgmdb would help a lot
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      • reosarevok
        Hmm
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      • reosarevok
        I'm surprised nobody made that one really
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      • xplat
        i also kind of want a framework to help import from artist websites
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      • xplat
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      • xplat
        and maybe some kind of translation/transliteration helpers
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      • reosarevok
        Automatic MB-integrated google translate :D
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      • SultS
        oh god :D
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      • SultS
        ooh… CAA might be showing some signs of life… fingers crossed
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      • xplat
        fully-automated translation still absorbing the breath of round buttocks
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      • xplat
        but machine-assisted translation is really helpful
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      • Freso
        reosarevok: https://userscripts.org/tags/musicbrainz works for me...
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      • reosarevok
        In Chrome?
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      • reosarevok
        Oh
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      • reosarevok
        Yeah
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      • reosarevok
        You're logged in I assume
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      • reosarevok
        We found that was the issue, in the end :p
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      • reosarevok kinda forgot
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      • Freso
        :p
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      • Freso
        In Firefox, and yes, I'm logged in. :p
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      • reosarevok
        So, there
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      • reosarevok
        I wonder if they somehow didn't notice it's been broken for non-logged-in users for months, or they just don't care