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HibiscusKazeneko
Should I make a new release group for a dance mix version of a single (with the same B-side)?
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5:49 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
Also, should I use double quotation marks or double prime to indicate inches?
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chirlu`
HibiscusKazeneko: Double prime is the inch symbol: ″
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HibiscusKazeneko
I thought so
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HibiscusKazeneko
Should I still split the remix single off from the original?
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chirlu`
No idea. :)
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chirlu`
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derwin
yeah, I don't know about that either, discogs doesn't...
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derwin
but I always thought taht was kinda arbitraey
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CatQuest
hey derwin :)
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derwin
hay
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reosarevok
(some Scottish stuff you might like)
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hawke
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hawke
Is there any reason not to have work catalog numbers as work attributes?
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16:28 PM
CallerNo6 wants that
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16:28 PM
CallerNo6
unless there's a better way, like series for catalogs?
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hawke
The only …yeah, that’s exactly what I was thinking.
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hawke
I know series support is coming soon, but it will be longer before we have something like that if it’s even possible.
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hawke
Might be best just to RFC the work attribute and see if it can be migrated later.
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Zastai
I'm entering this release:
http://vgmdb.net/album/44071 . For the track title suffixes like "- Special Trailer Ver. -", "- Aggressive Mix -" and "- ユスナーン Ver. -", do I keep those as-is, replace the "- -" by "()" or do I do a full MB-style mapping to "(special trailer version)", "(Aggressive mix)" and "(ユスナーン version)"?
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16:59 PM
hawke
I would replace the - - by ( )
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17:00 PM
Zastai
but keep "Ver." without mapping to "version"?
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hawke
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Zastai
I'm just not sure to what extent the track titles fall under "artist intent". but expanding seems the sensible thing to do
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Zastai
I see that "guess case" even does it automatically
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17:03 PM
hawke
usually not very much.
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17:03 PM
hawke
but style guide explicitly says “particularly in Extra Title Information” (which that is)
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hawke
and ETI style guide says it should be in parentheses.
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kepstin-laptop
Zastai: for japanese releases, we usually override the style and keep it as-is
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17:04 PM
hawke
kepstin-laptop: even on abbreviations that are in English?
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kepstin-laptop
yes
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hawke
Ah, the stupid Japanese Exception
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17:05 PM
hawke
:-/
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kepstin-laptop
it's not an english title, so english style doesn't apply
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17:05 PM
kepstin-laptop
:/
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17:05 PM
Zastai
should add a "Japanese" option to guess case which does absolutely nothing :-)
2014-05-02 12240, 2014
17:05 PM
hawke
Quick, what language is “Special Trailer ver.”?
2014-05-02 12243, 2014
17:05 PM
hawke
Oh wait, English
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17:06 PM
kepstin-laptop
quick, what language is "ライトニングリターンズ - Special Trailer Ver. -"
2014-05-02 12207, 2014
17:06 PM
Zastai
japanese and english
2014-05-02 12209, 2014
17:06 PM
hawke
Japanese and English.
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17:06 PM
kepstin-laptop
you can't treat parts of the title as different languages
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17:06 PM
kepstin-laptop
that just doesn't make sense, imo
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17:06 PM
Zastai
sure we can. we're smart like that :-p
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17:06 PM
hawke
Actually…English and English
2014-05-02 12238, 2014
17:06 PM
hawke
English/katakana and English/latin
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17:07 PM
kepstin-laptop
heh
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17:09 PM
Zastai hopes someone will tell him who won the argument so that he can apply the winning style :-p
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17:09 PM
kepstin-laptop
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17:09 PM
kepstin-laptop
but not abbreviations
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17:11 PM
Zastai
fair enough - that would mean at lease Version and Mix and not the typical MB-standard lowercase form. And I'd say the argument in that paragraph extends to abbreviations
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17:11 PM
hawke
Zastai: There really just is no one correct answer.
2014-05-02 12228, 2014
17:11 PM
hawke
And ultimately it’s pretty trivial.
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17:12 PM
Zastai
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17:12 PM
Zastai
i'll see what I did for the other PLUS soundtracks and keep it at least consistent
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17:13 PM
kepstin-laptop
Zastai: it is usually ignored on japanese releases unless the release is itself inconsistent.
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17:13 PM
Zastai
I remember the XIII-2 one to have some particularly quirky titles
2014-05-02 12229, 2014
17:13 PM
Zastai
fair enough - will keep it as-is
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hawke
I really really hate the Japanese Exception.
2014-05-02 12253, 2014
17:14 PM
hawke
And English title case.
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17:15 PM
hawke
Just to spread my hatred around evenly
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17:15 PM
kepstin-laptop
the japanese transliteration style is fun because it combines the japanese exception with english title case ;)
2014-05-02 12258, 2014
17:15 PM
kepstin-laptop
well, most people doing transliterations do tend to normalize stuff like ETI actually.
2014-05-02 12258, 2014
17:15 PM
hawke
It wouldn’t be so bad if the Japanese Exception were actually official.
2014-05-02 12204, 2014
17:16 PM
Zastai
I'm not a huge fan of titlecase myself. it's one of the things I postprocess after picarding a fresh rip - i prefer everything-capitalized
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hawke
Heh, I prefer to capitalize like the rest of the world, and like English used to do.
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17:16 PM
Zastai
just wish foobar's caps function handled roman numerals and all-caps words
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17:16 PM
kepstin-laptop
hawke: part of it is now; the stuff about preserving capitalization and punctuation is on that Style/Language/Japanese page.
2014-05-02 12255, 2014
17:16 PM
hawke
not punctuation.
2014-05-02 12209, 2014
17:17 PM
hawke
The guide mentions it, but doesn’t give any guidance there
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17:17 PM
kepstin-laptop
hmm. I suppose.
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17:17 PM
hawke
(those sort of decorative things like - vs. () are not exactly punctuation either.
