then again, if you believe in string theory..techically all our instruments would be string instruments
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reosarevok
heh
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reosarevok
Well, that's what you get from it being under Piano, which obviously is a string instrument
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reosarevok
But yeah, possibly should be moved :)
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Freso
CallerNo6: "inverse propertionate" = "omvendt proportionel" (in Danish)
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hawke
Freso: that was CatQuest, wasn’t it?
2014-05-16 13612, 2014
hawke
Freso: Since you mention Danish: Do you know anything about the danish High Fidelity magazine/reference CDs?
2014-05-16 13607, 2014
hawke wonders if http://beta.musicbrainz.org/series/8c9ad69f-a898-4392-9db6-a6ea4b682065 should be releases or release groups.
2014-05-16 13603, 2014
CatQuest
å ja, omvent proposjonal, jeg er ikke veldig good på proposjonalitet :(
2014-05-16 13602, 2014
CatQuest
wish me luck making quesedilla!
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kepstin-laptop
hawke: I'd say release groups
2014-05-16 13616, 2014
hawke
kepstin-laptop: that was kind of my thought as well, that's why I did it that way…but it feels weird to go to the release group page for each entry in the series.
2014-05-16 13602, 2014
kepstin-laptop
well, that's mostly because our release group pages aren't great, particularly for when there's only one release
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hawke
yah, that may be.
2014-05-16 13601, 2014
hawke
I’m just not sure how it might be improved.
2014-05-16 13613, 2014
hawke
can't imagine anything better so that makes it OK.
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kepstin-laptop
it would be nice if the release group page showed at least partial release information from a representitive release, imo
2014-05-16 13659, 2014
hawke
bleh, why is "piano quartet" not four pianos? Silly.
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kepstin-laptop
it's not? oh man, all my dreams are shattered.
2014-05-16 13653, 2014
kepstin-laptop
would need a pretty big room or pretty small pianos to do such a quartet tho :/
2014-05-16 13652, 2014
hawke
There are some works like that, it’s just called “…for four pianos” not “piano quartet”
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CallerNo6
I think I've also seen "for two piano-four-hands"
2014-05-16 13613, 2014
hawke
yep, that’s another thing.
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kepstin-laptop
they should include a head count as well
2014-05-16 13624, 2014
kepstin-laptop
'for two piano-four-hands-three-heads" is entirely different from "for two piano-four-hands-two-heads"
licensor is generally a statement like “music licensed from [other label]”
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Lotheric
ah I see
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Lotheric
thanks
2014-05-16 13651, 2014
hawke
(or it might just be a few tracks)
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CallerNo6
hmm. do most of you understand a style "+1" to mean "yes, I like the basic idea" or "yes, this is done and needs no tweaking"? Or probably something in between, since I don't see people retracting their +1s during the tweaking phase.
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warp
I think a "+1" means this proposal in its current form is good enough to pass
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warp
(so, it may be improved by tweaking, but wouldn't be veto'd without tweaking)
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CallerNo6
Me too, but I suspect not everybody does.
2014-05-16 13601, 2014
CallerNo6
Sometimes it might be "yes, we need this badly, I don't even care about the details" I guess.
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hawke agrees with warp
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Lotheric
I understand it like in Jira when you vote
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Lotheric
you +1
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CallerNo6
Right, a lot of people seem to use it that way. Technically, only the first +1 matters (it allows the proposal to move to rfv). In practice, it's nice to see the level or support a proposal has.
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Freso
chirlu`: "I might write a redirect-following bot one day." - we already have one though.
2014-05-16 13637, 2014
Freso
It's called "nikki".
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Freso
:p
2014-05-16 13600, 2014
Freso
Oh, drsaunders already mentioned her. :p
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chirlu`
Yes, jesus2099 said so.
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chirlu`
(?)
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chirlu`
Ah, I was right. ;-)
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Freso
hawke: I don't, no.
2014-05-16 13650, 2014
hawke
Freso: k, no worries. I was just wondering if it was discontinued or what, since the last CD we have in the database is #74 from 2003. I can’t find much about it on the web.
2014-05-16 13650, 2014
Freso
CallerNo6: Re: "+1", what warp said.
2014-05-16 13606, 2014
Freso
hawke: The name of the magazine doesn't even ring a bell for me. :/
2014-05-16 13605, 2014
Freso
CallerNo6: Well, "only the +1 matters" in as so far as 20 people don't chime in with "-1".
Since that would suggest the proposal being rather far from a consensus.
2014-05-16 13622, 2014
Freso
(On that note though, I've sometimes not sent a +1 mail if someone else has already done it, and no one's argued against it.)
2014-05-16 13645, 2014
hawke
per the style process, "-1" means nothing — you just need a "+1" to proceed to RFV
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kepstin-laptop
a bunch of people saying -1 ar RFC stage is a good sign your RFV won't succeed, tho :)
2014-05-16 13616, 2014
hawke
yeah
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hawke
I try to avoid saying “-1” in favor of “I think this is a bad idea because xyz”
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kepstin-laptop
even at the RFV stage, our guidelines say that a -1/veto with no good supporting reason can be ignored at the style leader's discretion...
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Freso
*style leaders'
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Freso
(There are two. :))
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kepstin-laptop
ah, I forgot we have more than 1 now :)
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CallerNo6 imagines a special episode where all the style leaders appear, like doctor who
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CallerNo6
well, maybe some need to be CGed in? (like doctor who)
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kepstin-laptop
it doesn't help that one of the style leaders has a mysterious ability to not show up in photos.
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CallerNo6
worst case, it'll need to be a radio drama
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CallerNo6
sorry, "audio/broadcast/serial drama"?
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hawke
hahaha
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Freso
kepstin-laptop: And another style leader has more-or-less been proclaimed a "persona non grata"...
2014-05-16 13619, 2014
brown_fox
hi! could anyone, please, tell me why can't i import data from the musicbrainz database using mp3tag? i have "service unavailable (503)" error. was it made intentionally or should i just wait?
2014-05-16 13607, 2014
Freso
brown_fox: How does mp3tag work? How many times have you tried over how long of a time period?
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brown_fox
Freso: well i'm trying a couple of days so far.
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Freso
Then I guess it's a matter of the 2nd question.
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Freso doesn't know anything about "mp3tag" at all
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Freso
Eh.
2014-05-16 13640, 2014
Freso
1st question.
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brown_fox
Freso: and i just assume that mp3tag makes a query to the site and downloads data that matches.
2014-05-16 13630, 2014
brown_fox
Freso: well it's not a big deal anyway. mp3tag has some options. i just like musicbrainz's approach of tagging :-)
2014-05-16 13654, 2014
Freso
"makes a query" - sure, but what query? And is it just one, or several? If the latter, does it respect the throttling?
2014-05-16 13602, 2014
brown_fox
Freso: for instance: i have Sheryl Crow's album titled C'mon C'mon. i want to tag the songs and i push a button on mp3tag's interface. i enter c'mon c'mon in the "search by album" field and after a while i have the aforesaid error. but it used to work fine.
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Freso
brown_fox: Sure. I'm not so much interested in how it works from a user interface perspective - more how it works from a code perspective.
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Mineo wonders if you're tried it without any apostrophes
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hawke
Freso: what, is this #musicbrainz-devel or something? ;-)
2014-05-16 13657, 2014
brown_fox
Freso: i see. But you're asking a wrong guy. But i assume i need to sniff the data exchange.
2014-05-16 13614, 2014
Freso
hawke: Half the time it is, yes. :p
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brown_fox
Freso: anyway. Thank you for your attention.
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brown_fox
Mineo: i'll try...
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Freso
brown_fox: Or look at the source. Like I said, I don't know anything about "mp3tag". I don't think I've ever heard about it before. So it's hard to tell exactly what's up with it.
2014-05-16 13649, 2014
brown_fox
Mineo: problem solved. Thank you! :-)
2014-05-16 13609, 2014
brown_fox
I guess i need to escape them somehow.
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Mineo
no problem
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Mineo
I'd actually expect mp3tag to escape those automatically
2014-05-16 13613, 2014
brown_fox
You know what's weird? If i type wildflower -- then everything does work. In case of cmon cmon -- i have this ugly error. I think there is some bug in the mp3tag software
2014-05-16 13623, 2014
brown_fox
May be this phrase is a spell? :-)
2014-05-16 13616, 2014
brown_fox
But, from the other hand, if i query another db then everything works.
2014-05-16 13630, 2014
hawke
brown_fox: it's a bug in mp3tag, yes.
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hawke
other dbs may not have the same restrictions or syntax
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brown_fox
Okay. I'm not going to waste your time anymore. Thank you for your patience. And have a nice whatever you have! :-)
2014-05-16 13634, 2014
brown_fox
hawke: thank you!
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Mineo
wow, mp3tag is still using ws/1
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Freso
I actually miss the "Relate to..." function. Was useful for adding a single relationship without loading the full edit page. :/
2014-05-16 13612, 2014
derwin
fucking awesome
2014-05-16 13618, 2014
derwin
oops wrong channel
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CallerNo6
no it's not
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hawke
Freso: only problem is that it still loaded a new page so it wasn't that useful in that regard. Of course the new page that it loaded was faster than the current one, so…
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hawke
If 'relate to...' did a popup like the relationship editor does and then applied it immediately, that would be better.
