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Lotheric
I sit possible in unicode to type 7ième (with letters in superset/exponent to the 7) ?
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Lotheric
*Is it
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Leftmost
That's not a factor of character set, typically, but of formatting.
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Lotheric
so I can enter it 7ième in MB ?
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Leftmost
Yes.
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CallerNo6 watches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37p0dfjGj-w&t=7m38s
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HibiscusKazeneko
I just got another idea
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HibiscusKazeneko
Have we ever used infographics?
2014-06-02 15342, 2014
3:58 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
I'm getting irritated with having to explain concepts to people over and over again and want to construct an infographic to use
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HibiscusKazeneko
Would MB have a place for these? Or are they too legally risky?
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3:58 AM
CallerNo6 wants that too
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HibiscusKazeneko
I know how to create makeshift ones using wiki markup language, but we're gradually phasing out the wiki
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CallerNo6
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CallerNo6
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derwin
I saw a good online one..
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HibiscusKazeneko
Prezi?
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derwin
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HibiscusKazeneko is contemplating actually making one
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CallerNo6
ah, I was thinking more flowcharts or ER diagrams
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HibiscusKazeneko
Yeah, a flowchart with some logos and maybe a zoomed-in scan or two
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4:18 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
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4:19 AM
CallerNo6
Ah. That.
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4:20 AM
HibiscusKazeneko wants to make an addendum for certain Japanese companies
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4:21 AM
CallerNo6
If you can't get people to agree on the definition of "release label", then it doesn't matter how well you expain the definition you're using :-/
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4:21 AM
CallerNo6
Well, of course, it doesn't hurt either :-)
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HibiscusKazeneko
Especially since the situation is extremely complex and the details tend to get lost on people
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4:24 AM
CallerNo6
Your approach (iiuc) is complex. The as-on-cover literalist approach is quite simple.
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4:24 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
Except "as on cover" is ambiguou
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4:24 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
ambiguous*
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4:25 AM
CallerNo6
Not if you take the approach that every logo is an label/imprint/branding.
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4:26 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
In Canyon/Pony Canyon's case, they replaced the logos of the labels they bought but kept the names of the original imprints
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4:27 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
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4:27 AM
CallerNo6
But to an as-on-cover literalist, that does't matter. The only thing that matters is the logos on the release.
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4:27 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
In this case, there is a direct conflict with the facts
2014-06-02 15347, 2014
4:27 AM
CallerNo6
(I hope "as-on-cover literalist" isn't insulting)
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HibiscusKazeneko
it isn't (to me at least)
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CallerNo6
That's the disconnect (as I see it). What you're calling a "fact" hinges on the definition of "release label", doesn't it?
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4:29 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
Not totally
2014-06-02 15343, 2014
4:29 AM
CallerNo6
(as does Hawke's imo)
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4:30 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
We can't always have a concrete rule for every situation. A lot of record companies like to deviate from norms and do things their own unique way
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4:31 AM
CallerNo6
I tend to agree. But what is a "release label"?
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4:32 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
The stamp placed on a release by the record company?
2014-06-02 15327, 2014
4:32 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
A sort of certificate of authenticity?
2014-06-02 15329, 2014
4:32 AM
hawke1
I am OK with being called an "as-on-cover literalist"
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4:33 AM
hawke1
HibiscusKazeneko: to me that stamp is the Pony Canyon logo (in this case)
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4:33 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
not in this case
2014-06-02 15313, 2014
4:33 AM
hawke1
...
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hawke1
yes
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hawke1
to me
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HibiscusKazeneko
Look under it
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hawke1
yeah?
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hawke1
That's some text.
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hawke1
that is not a "stamp"
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hawke1
or an imprint
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HibiscusKazeneko
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hawke1
yeah.
2014-06-02 15342, 2014
4:34 AM
hawke1
With the "Nav" imprint/logo/stamp.
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HibiscusKazeneko
In October 1982, Canyon Records phased out using logos for its imprints
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4:34 AM
hawke1
After 1982 (or whatever) they used Pony Canyon instead.
2014-06-02 15354, 2014
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CallerNo6
oof. nice Charlies Angel's hair.
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4:35 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
Pony Canyon did not exist until 1987
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4:35 AM
hawke1
Well, whatever they may have used in between.
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4:35 AM
hawke1
What'd they use?
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HibiscusKazeneko
The same graphic, but it had the name "Canyon" or "Pony"
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HibiscusKazeneko
Canyon was used for vinyl and CDs, and Pony was used for cassettes
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HibiscusKazeneko
They merged the two on October 21, 1987
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hawke1
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derwin
for once ppl are talking about ponies and it's not brony stuff
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4:36 AM
hawke1
I see pony canyon
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hawke1
in 1983
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HibiscusKazeneko
Look under the graphic
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HibiscusKazeneko
It says "Canyon"
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CallerNo6
derwin, deep down maybe it is
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hawke1
Yes
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4:37 AM
hawke1
but the graphic is a stylized "PC"
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4:37 AM
hawke1
and is the logo used by pony canyon, is it not?
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HibiscusKazeneko
Now it is
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hawke1
Also Pony Canyon was established in 1966
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HibiscusKazeneko
Its Pony and Canyon divisions were separate at the time
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4:38 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
Pony Canyon as we know it today did not exist until 1987
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4:38 AM
hawke1
Fair enough
2014-06-02 15333, 2014
4:38 AM
hawke1
So what's the "P" in the PC logo?
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HibiscusKazeneko
Pony
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HibiscusKazeneko
A division reserved for tapes
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hawke1
o_O
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HibiscusKazeneko
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hawke1
OK. Either way that imprint/stamp/log is certainly not the NAV logo
2014-06-02 15342, 2014
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hawke1
*logo
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HibiscusKazeneko
They stopped using the logo but kept the imprint
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4:40 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
until 1989
2014-06-02 15349, 2014
4:40 AM
hawke1
...
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4:40 AM
CallerNo6
Okay. Stop. What does that mean?
2014-06-02 15307, 2014
4:41 AM
hawke1
That is a completely nonsensical statement to me. Yes, please explain.
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HibiscusKazeneko
It means NAV was a distinct division under the CANYON umbrella
2014-06-02 15330, 2014
4:41 AM
hawke1
That's about corporate structure though
2014-06-02 15335, 2014
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hawke1
not about labels of actual releases
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4:41 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
*bangs head on desk*
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4:42 AM
hawke1
likewise at "they stopped using the logo but kept the imprint" :-p
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HibiscusKazeneko
A logo does not an imprint make
2014-06-02 15354, 2014
4:42 AM
hawke1
a logo is a vital part of an imprint.
2014-06-02 15356, 2014
4:42 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
Take for example the case of Universal
2014-06-02 15310, 2014
4:43 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
All its many imprints use the main "Universal Music" logo
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4:44 AM
CallerNo6
What else is an imprint besides a logo?
2014-06-02 15330, 2014
4:44 AM
CallerNo6
(because to some people it's the same thing)
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HibiscusKazeneko
It's a name
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HibiscusKazeneko
A special catalog unmber
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HibiscusKazeneko
number*
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4:46 AM
hawke1
buuuuut...these use standard Pony/Canyon catalog numbers.
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4:46 AM
CallerNo6
meaning that the catno should correspond to (or indicate) the imprint?
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HibiscusKazeneko
They don't all use standard catalog numbers
2014-06-02 15348, 2014
4:47 AM
hawke1
OK, so what is the special catalog number of NAV?
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4:48 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
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4:49 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
There is a boxed N after the catalog number
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4:49 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
Pre-acquisition numbers were N-XXX
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4:50 AM
hawke1
But that one actually has the Nav imprint.
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4:50 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
It's from 1981, before the logo was phased out
2014-06-02 15358, 2014
4:50 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
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4:51 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
The picture is grainy, but the N is there
2014-06-02 15349, 2014
4:53 AM
CallerNo6
So somewhere on that release "Nav" is indicated?
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4:54 AM
CallerNo6
(in text or whatever)
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4:54 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
Yes, next to the catalog number on the obi
2014-06-02 15336, 2014
4:55 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
It's in bold letters, which you can't see from that image
2014-06-02 15325, 2014
4:56 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
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4:56 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
I'm not sure what that logo next to the Canyon logo is
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4:57 AM
hawke1
Yeah, I've seen the NAV text (and the See-Saw text, and other examples
2014-06-02 15311, 2014
4:58 AM
hawke1
I just don't agree that that makes for a "label" -- and even more so, I *really* don't see why it's not allowed to exist along side the other labels (logos/imprints) that clearly are there.
2014-06-02 15329, 2014
4:58 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
We may never know
2014-06-02 15318, 2014
4:59 AM
hawke1
...
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4:59 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
It's most likely Canyon was trying to assert its brand
2014-06-02 15322, 2014
4:59 AM
hawke1
....
2014-06-02 15335, 2014
4:59 AM
hawke1
No, I mean why you guys won't allow it to be used *in Musicbrainz*
2014-06-02 15340, 2014
4:59 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
but part of the acquisition agreement forced them to keep the name
2014-06-02 15346, 2014
4:59 AM
hawke1
Clearly Pony Canyon wants their logo on it
2014-06-02 15352, 2014
4:59 AM
hawke1
(or Canyon or whatever)
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5:00 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
We won't allow it to be used as a release label because it detracts from the true imprint
2014-06-02 15329, 2014
5:00 AM
hawke1
No it doesn't.
2014-06-02 15347, 2014
5:00 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
It's like if we forced everyone to use Universal Music Japan for all Universal-related releases
2014-06-02 15357, 2014
5:00 AM
hawke1
...not really, no.
2014-06-02 15358, 2014
5:00 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
because their "globe" logo is most prominent
2014-06-02 15323, 2014
5:01 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
2014-06-02 15308, 2014
5:02 AM
HibiscusKazeneko
Universal's main logo is used 3 times on the packaging, yet the true imprint (Utahime Records) is only passively mentioned in the lower left corner)
