New post: blog: Server update, 2014-06-09 <http://blog.musicbrainz.org/2014/06/10/server-update-2014-06-09/>
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hawke
If a studio moves (changes address), does that make it two MB-Places, or just one with no specific address?
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CallerNo6 has been doing those as multiple studios
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CallerNo6
But only because it's easier to merge than separate.
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hawke
I’m inclined to keep them as one, because recording dates can be kind of vague.
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hawke
e.g. if you know that the studio moved in 1972, and a recording was made between 1971 and 1973…
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CallerNo6
Plus, smaller studios are probably more likely to move around a lot. So either way seems fine.
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hawke
yep.
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hawke
Whoa,'merge $ENTITY' is now just 'merge' eh?
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HibiscusKazeneko
Aaaaaaand another server update has rendered jesus2099's script temporarily unusable.
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HibiscusKazeneko
This time there's a new bug: in the Attributes menu on a work, it automatically gives the red text "This attribute type is only used for grouping, please select a subtype"
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CallerNo6
pop quiz: what is the "video" flag for in the [recording]<canBeStreamedAt>[url] relationship?
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CallerNo6
I mean, what is it for?
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derwin
I didn't understand that edit either
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HibiscusKazeneko
CallerNo6: It's meant to distinguish video recordings from audio, e.g. music videos bundled with an audio release.
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HibiscusKazeneko
It's extremely common in Japan for CD singles to come bundled with a DVD or Blu-ray containing a music video, dance lesson video or short interview
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CallerNo6
HibiscusKazeneko: not the flag on the recording itself (type = video). the flag on the relationship.
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HibiscusKazeneko
That's meant to sort websites where you can stream an official video rather than just audio. YouTube for example, offers both video and audio-only (i.e. no real video, just pictures or text), while SoundCloud only streams audio content
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CallerNo6
hmm. that raises a different question (since the audio + image things on youtube are generally not official, so I don't link to them)
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HibiscusKazeneko
Oh fuck. I tried to add multiple attributes to a work and it dragged me to the Internal Server Error page without me even entering the edit
CallerNo6: I know what you mean, but sometimes artists will put up such videos on their own channels, especially in cases where the video has been blocked or banned in certain countries
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HibiscusKazeneko
the music video, I mean
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CallerNo6
HibiscusKazeneko: ah. Haven't seen that but it seems reasonable.
Well, it's kind of a tangent. My point is, if kaik is right in the above-linked edit, then I don't know when one would use the "video" flag on the relationship.
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CallerNo6
Kaik's argument is (iiuc) that if the video is there/not-there/different, then those are different recordings so you wouldn't link e.g. a youtube video to an audio recording.
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CallerNo6
If that's true, then the flag on the relationship should never be used. Unless I'm missing something.
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HibiscusKazeneko
I added a note to that edit with an explanation. It's really not fair to use the same audio track for a music video because often times it'll be different from what's on the actual release (e.g. added sound effects, bleeps, etc.)
I have the single, but my turntable is out of commission
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CallerNo6
wait, your argument is that they are different recordings because the silence at the end is copyrighted?
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CallerNo6
(or might be?)
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HibiscusKazeneko
No, I was demonstrating that that was what the silence was for
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CallerNo6
Then I guess I didn't understand your note.
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HibiscusKazeneko
My explanation is that the audio found on music videos is often different from that of the released music the video is promoting. In other words, it sounds different from what is on the actual release.
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CallerNo6
Oh. Sure. That can happen.
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HibiscusKazeneko
If it's just a snippet of silence at the end, that's one thing, but altered lyrics/added sound effects/whatever is something else.
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CallerNo6
Okay. Opinion on this specific case? Identical audio (except for some silence at the end).
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HibiscusKazeneko
Might be linkable
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HibiscusKazeneko
I'd still toggle "video" for a URL relationship
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CallerNo6
If it /shouldn't/ be linked, then I don't know when one would use the "video" flag on the link.
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CallerNo6
If there's no use case for it, then it should be removed.
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CallerNo6
If only I knew an irc channel where opinionated MB users hung out.
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HibiscusKazeneko
Normally I reserve links to music videos for released versions of that video or when the audio is identical
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CallerNo6
HibiscusKazeneko: yes, that's what I would expect.
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HibiscusKazeneko
I've been wanting to expand the release and release group types to include music video releases (e.g. VHS, Laserdisc, CD Video) but from some stuff left in the documentation I can predict it will not go over well
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drsaunde
why would the video medium be a different release group?
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HibiscusKazeneko
The release group is for releases that contain just video
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drsaunde
if the same video is released in 2 different formats that would be the same release group
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HibiscusKazeneko
It would
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drsaunde
just video sure...but not the individual video formats
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HibiscusKazeneko
What I'm trying to say is we don't have a release group for strictly video releases, such as recordings of live shows
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drsaunde
i wouldn't opposed that...i read it say you wanted one for each of the formats listed..then i was ready to disagree
CallerNo6: That may be to avoid dragnet blockages in certain countries.
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CallerNo6
I don't doubt that it's to appease *somebody*
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mcepl
when I have changes to my still opened edits (http://musicbrainz.org/user/ceplm/edits/open) would it be possible to somehow merge those changes into another open edit, so it would be easier on reviewers?
