... which, again, I would argue is not a good idea until there's a way to relate the two recordings.
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kepstin-laptop
being able to link an audio recording to a video recording that shares the same audio would be a good idea, imo
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kepstin-laptop
the criteria for the AR would basically be "if you took only the audio track, would it be the same recording under our normal guidelines"
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kepstin-laptop
which means that videos with sufficiently altered audio would not be linked, except possibly as "edits"
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CallerNo6
kepstin-laptop: hmm, no provisions for dialogue or silence or whatever?
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kepstin-laptop
our normal guidelines have provision for silence
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kepstin-laptop
dialogue is definitely a new recording, imo
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CallerNo6
then that's not the AR I'm looking for
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kepstin-laptop
well, they're both linked to the same work...
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CallerNo6
I'm not trying to say "audio is identical". I'm trying to say "music is same mix"
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kepstin-laptop
CallerNo6: then if the audio of the video is based on the audio recording, link it with the 'edit' AR
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kepstin-laptop
that says that it's the same mix, but with some additional modifications made
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kepstin-laptop
fits perfectly.
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CallerNo6
kepstin-laptop: that would be technically true but doesn't answer a common question that a data user would have. "Is there a video for this song I like?"
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warp
CallerNo6: 'a video for this song I like' will often have a different mix.
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kepstin-laptop
well, the general way would be via the work
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kepstin-laptop
I can't really think of any way to do "is there a video with or without edits to the audio of this mix I like?" :/
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kepstin-laptop
that I like, anyways.
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CallerNo6
there could be a ten or ten thousand recordings related to a work. so that still wouldn't answer a very basic question.
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warp
CallerNo6: of those recordings which are videos, they are 'a video for this song I like' :)
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kepstin-laptop
CallerNo6: would you link e.g. both the explicit and censored mix of a song to the same video recording if there was only one video that shared the same base mix?
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CallerNo6
warp, okay, I could reword the question in legalese if that helps :-P
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kepstin-laptop
terminology is very important for this sort of thing
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warp
CallerNo6: nah, I'm just being annoying. I'll go back to work.
2014-06-12 16307, 2014
kepstin-laptop goes through that report and fixes a few of the cases that he added before the recording video attribute was available
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CallerNo6
censored vs explicit? hmm. no, I wouldn't link them.
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CallerNo6
or maybe would link them with a "censored" flag?
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CallerNo6
maybe there are censored/explicit version of the audio-only *and* the video? dunno.
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CallerNo6
bottom line. if I was wrong in the edit I linked above, I feel dumb. I want to take out my anger on the streaming video flag.
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hawke
CallerNo6: I do think that a recording-recording AR would be useful.
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CallerNo6
If I propose it, I will propose it in anger!
2014-06-12 16305, 2014
CallerNo6
(time to see if the dark side really works)
2014-06-12 16300, 2014
CallerNo6 couldn't help himself. https://twitter.com/CallerNo6/status/477133783028617216
bleh, stupid old classical style that told everyone to put the full work title in the track name.
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CallerNo6
The old classical release titles are worse (now that the release artist isn't always/only the composer)
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hawke
Are they?
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hawke
Why’s that?
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CallerNo6
I mean, "The Etudes" isn't such a bad title if you know the performer.
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CallerNo6
But in the old system, it was too ambiguous so people would use the work titles as the release title.
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hawke
Under the old system, performer was put in the title though.
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CallerNo6
True. But still people were doing it that way. Or did I dream it?
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hawke
Probably.
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CallerNo6
I'm sure I did. Maybe I was misguided.
2014-06-12 16353, 2014
hawke
I mean, yes people were probably doing it that way; it seems like absolutely every possible option was explored by someone. :-)
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hawke
Anyway, I’m more complaining about the way the old classical style encouraged creating a custom title from whole cloth for every track on every release.
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hawke
(since there were no works to unify/normalize/standardize the naming)
2014-06-12 16310, 2014
hawke
Would have been much better if the style of the time were just to copy what’s on the release.
2014-06-12 16327, 2014
hawke
Sure you have so-so tagging but it sure makes it easier to figure out what the hell is on the release.
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CallerNo6
I think the idea was to make them machine-readable. Silly.
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hawke
Not a terrible idea in theory…
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hawke
…a complete failure in practice
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hawke
Inconsistent interpretation of track titles as printed → inconsistent naming patterns for track titles → complete mess
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CallerNo6
If there was a title in the CSG standard list, it worked I guess. Just copy-n-paste.
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hawke
…but not everyone did that, and it wasn’t very findable, and IIRC it wasn’t consistent (or accurate) itself.
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CallerNo6
right
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CallerNo6
plus you'd need a standard list for every language, whatever that means.
“Prelude in C major, K. 284a (Capriccio in C major, K. 395)”
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hawke
Note that the cover art on that link is 150% wrong.
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CallerNo6 is tempted to buy it for $0.89
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hawke
heh
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derwin
pls no world cup spoilers, btw
2014-06-12 16310, 2014
hawke
n.b. its not that recording.
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derwin
I know it's a lot to ask, but given international crowd and time shifting of tv
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derwin
it would be awesome if ppl could not spoiler :)
2014-06-12 16332, 2014
hawke
derwin: Hey, I hear they kicked (will kick?) a ball around.
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kepstin-laptop
and there was some not scoring.
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CallerNo6
noted (not same recording)
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kepstin-laptop doesn't follow it at all, so he has no idea what's really going on :)
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CallerNo6
derwin might want to avoid the internet for a while
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kepstin-laptop
my phone asked me if I wanted to get score updates, I said no.
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derwin
CallerNo6: I know :/
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hawke
Also, a team either won or lost, and another team did likewise.
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hawke
Or, will have won or lost.
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hawke
or something
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hawke
There was sportsball.
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CallerNo6 has only seen one season of Game of Thrones. So the internet is a dangerous place.
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kepstin-laptop hasn't yet seen anything but random clips of game of thrones
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kepstin-laptop
I suppose I probably should at some point, but I've already read the books and there's other stuff I want to see more...
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hawke
kepstin-laptop: the show is worthwhile, even having read the books.
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CallerNo6 hasn't read the books, but is trying to achieve entry level cultural literacy.
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CallerNo6
Maybe I'll read the books, but they're certainly not at the top of my to-read pile.
2014-06-12 16344, 2014
CallerNo6
derwin: I also wish people wouldn't give east coast election results. It makes voting in California feel pointless.
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CallerNo6
(and maybe it is)
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derwin
well, voting in national elections in california is pointless
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derwin
and probably state elections in most places as well
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derwin
but yes, it becomes more pointless than that, even.
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kepstin-laptop
interestingly, the way the canadian system works, reporting east coast federal election results doesn't make voting in the west pointless
2014-06-12 16349, 2014
kepstin-laptop
well, maybe it does once they get past ontario and quebec
2014-06-12 16330, 2014
kepstin-laptop actually has a provincial election today, which is mostly within one timezone
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hawke wishes more classical editors hung out on IRC so they could advice on that K. 284a mess.
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CallerNo6
hawke: flag it in the annotation, and we an maybe orgainize a classical fixme sprint?
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hawke
heh
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hawke
CallerNo6: A good thought.
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Mineo
classical fixme sprint could take a while even with an infinite amount of monkeys :-)
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hawke
Mineo: not with a well-defined area.
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hawke
CallerNo6: Sadly, I don’t feel like MB works well with direct collaboration.
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hawke
And I don’t have any ideas for how that might be improved.
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CallerNo6
I think people are more likely to take on a project, large or small, if there's at least some hope of seeing progress. So defining the scope is important.
2014-06-12 16359, 2014
hawke
agreed.
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hawke
But it’s hard enough just trying to work on something by yourself, when you can’t see the progress except as orange 'pending edit' hilights
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CallerNo6
but then, the last cotm I remember was Bruce Springsteen. Totally uninteresting to me, and the work that needed doing was mostly bootlegs which I know nothing about.
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hawke
Let alone working with others who might be touching the same thing.
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CallerNo6
obligatory: #musicbrainz-doc still exists!
2014-06-12 16347, 2014
CallerNo6
don't let the dream die
2014-06-12 16350, 2014
CallerNo6
aside: poop. some days, the g4 powerbook you pulled out of the dumpster simply refuses to boot into lxde.
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derwin
lawl
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CallerNo6
it was going to be a triumph of the calerno6 spirit. oh well.
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CallerNo6 tends to think that better docs will lead to better/more/not-as-demoralizing editing . That's no small task though.
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hawke
CallerNo6: You think so?
2014-06-12 16330, 2014
hawke
I tend to agree as far as it will lead to better edits in the first place…
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hawke
Still, 841 pages of recordings is a daunting task at the best of times.
