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      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm.

        • 2014-09-02 24504, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        well, I don't really understand our search server :/

        • 2014-09-02 24521, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        NOT (Japan OR unknown), to be precise

        • 2014-09-02 24535, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        But that should be logically equivalent.

        • 2014-09-02 24547, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        hawke: that's not the best way I can think of to say "no works list on cover" :-) oh well.

        • 2014-09-02 24507, 2014

      • hawke
        CallerNo6: Yeah, you’re right.

        • 2014-09-02 24512, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        and "lang:jpn AND NOT country:( jp OR unknown )" is different again

        • 2014-09-02 24534, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        hawke: I was thinking of http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Classical_Release_Tit… . I thought (mistakenly) that the current guidelines retained that part.

        • 2014-09-02 24546, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        er, no, that's the same

        • 2014-09-02 24502, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        owell. search server's only an approximation :/

        • 2014-09-02 24514, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        you'd probably want a report for that, really

        • 2014-09-02 24527, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        hawke: (for untitled releases, that is)

        • 2014-09-02 24543, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        HibiscusKazeneko: I think you wrote on one of the threads on the style list that there'd never be a second Jay-Z.

        • 2014-09-02 24549, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Well guess what: http://www.discogs.com/artist/190684

        • 2014-09-02 24515, 2014

      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm. writing a sql query against release countries is more complicated now that releases can have multiple countries :/

        • 2014-09-02 24536, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I'm curious as to whether Shawn Carter sued this guy

        • 2014-09-02 24544, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        He's very trademark-aggressive

        • 2014-09-02 24507, 2014

      • hawke
        CallerNo6: Which part, specifically?

        • 2014-09-02 24515, 2014

      • derwin
        HibiscusKazeneko: why are you preoccupied with matters of legality surrounding intellectual property?

        • 2014-09-02 24534, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        For the sake of my own safety

        • 2014-09-02 24538, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        And others'

        • 2014-09-02 24549, 2014

      • hawke
        CallerNo6: if you mean “The Release Title should contain the names of the works on the release” — that seems very unwieldy with this release

        • 2014-09-02 24553, 2014

      • derwin
        I think you are unreasonably preoccupied with the risk in question.

        • 2014-09-02 24512, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        derwin: http://didyouknowgaming.com/search/dayz

        • 2014-09-02 24515, 2014

      • derwin
        Do you ride in automobiles, for example? If so, do you spend the whole time worried about the risk of death involved?

        • 2014-09-02 24522, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Sometimes

        • 2014-09-02 24524, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        hawke: yes, that part. And yes, not a good fit for this release.

        • 2014-09-02 24555, 2014

      • derwin
        HibiscusKazeneko: so the store you just pasted is " Jay-Z's lawyers tried to get us to stop using DayZ and change it to ZDay, actually. We declined. But it did make me laugh. "

        • 2014-09-02 24503, 2014

      • derwin
        iow, the thing you are afraid of did not happen.

        • 2014-09-02 24518, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        We don't know the whole story

        • 2014-09-02 24520, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Well, DJ Jay-Z used the name before him.

        • 2014-09-02 24549, 2014

      • derwin
        yes, the whole story tells that there was something to be REALLY AFRAID OF

        • 2014-09-02 24518, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        By the current guidelines, isn't it a list of composers separated by a slash? (which was one of the options you suggested, but maybe you were kidding)

        • 2014-09-02 24527, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        hawke:^^

        • 2014-09-02 24540, 2014

      • hawke
        CallerNo6: yeah, but in this case there’s only one composer.

        • 2014-09-02 24542, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Or well, I don't know whether Carter already had that name when he was hanging with hawaiian shirts and still was on Jaz's dick.

        • 2014-09-02 24550, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        hawke: understood

        • 2014-09-02 24504, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        one composer separated by a slash

        • 2014-09-02 24520, 2014

      • hawke
        CallerNo6: and it seems like this release also has some prominence for the performers (I know that was not considered when this rev of the CSG was proposed)

        • 2014-09-02 24533, 2014

      • CallerNo6 would also buy the "it's a normal self-titled release" argument. At least, wouldn't fight it.

        • 2014-09-02 24522, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        But I think I prefer "Sarasate" as the title.

        • 2014-09-02 24525, 2014

      • hawke
        CallerNo6: but self-titled as composer+performers, or just composer? and if composer+performers, how to separate them?

        • 2014-09-02 24521, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        dunno. mid dot like the spine?

        • 2014-09-02 24528, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        It does point out some gaps in the CSG title guidelines

        • 2014-09-02 24509, 2014

      • hawke
        yeah.

        • 2014-09-02 24543, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        That's what I liked about the old guideline. It was clunky, but unambiguous.

        • 2014-09-02 24554, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        Wait. That's two things I liked about it.

        • 2014-09-02 24548, 2014

      • hawke
        Heh

        • 2014-09-02 24555, 2014

      • reoafk
        Three, probably, if we include "old"

        • 2014-09-02 24505, 2014

      • reoafk hides

        • 2014-09-02 24544, 2014

      • hawke
        FWIW there is approximately nothing I like about the old guideline. :-)

        • 2014-09-02 24538, 2014

      • hawke
        Must not be that unambiguous either, given the 'details' section.

        • 2014-09-02 24531, 2014

      • hawke
        CallerNo6: Think of a better wording for that “list of composers” thing though, it should be pretty trivial to change that.

        • 2014-09-02 24515, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        word

        • 2014-09-02 24517, 2014

      • reoafk
        that's not a better wording!

        • 2014-09-02 24540, 2014

      • drsaunde
        obviously not hiding too well

        • 2014-09-02 24546, 2014

      • reoafk
        Well, except if you consider "wording" as "the action of saying 'word' "

        • 2014-09-02 24513, 2014

      • reoafk
        What can I say, I'm bad at hiding in silence :p

        • 2014-09-02 24524, 2014

      • reoafk
        But time for a shower and probably bed now. Night! :)

        • 2014-09-02 24530, 2014

      • hawke
        night reoafk

        • 2014-09-02 24549, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        methinks my Internet has been cut down

        • 2014-09-02 24502, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        or at least my browser

        • 2014-09-02 24537, 2014

      • hawke
        CallerNo6: So with the middle-dot thing, would you say we should only credit the two most prominent artists as on the spine? or the full front cover?

        • 2014-09-02 24532, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Is Various Artists showing up to anyone else as if it has an edit pending?

        • 2014-09-02 24550, 2014

      • derwin
        I blame the RIAA

        • 2014-09-02 24501, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I doubt they had anything to do with this

        • 2014-09-02 24508, 2014

      • chungy joined the channel

        • 2014-09-02 24519, 2014

      • derwin
        HibiscusKazeneko: how can you be sure???

        • 2014-09-02 24532, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        They don't regularly invade our site, do they?

        • 2014-09-02 24535, 2014

      • derwin
        sure they do! you're constantly on guard for their machinations so they must!

        • 2014-09-02 24536, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        on the internet, nobody knows you're the RIAA

        • 2014-09-02 24558, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        or a dog

        • 2014-09-02 24507, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Seriously, this is weird: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/89ad4ac3-39f7-470e-…

        • 2014-09-02 24503, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Is there a way to hide a pending edit from regular view? Or is this a glitch on my end?

        • 2014-09-02 24536, 2014

      • derwin
        why does it matter?

        • 2014-09-02 24554, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Why shouldn't it?

        • 2014-09-02 24513, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        If there's a way for auto-editors or administrators to hide their edits it's prone to abuse

        • 2014-09-02 24522, 2014

      • hawke
        Do pending merges show as edits for VA?

        • 2014-09-02 24530, 2014

      • derwin
        you seem very sensitive to the idea of "abuse"

        • 2014-09-02 24547, 2014

      • derwin
        is there any indicatin that anyone cares enough about musicbrainz to engage in this sort of "abuse" ?

        • 2014-09-02 24547, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I used to be a Newgrounder. It was so common there people expected it.

        • 2014-09-02 24556, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        How am I to know

        • 2014-09-02 24508, 2014

      • derwin
        so the only rational behavior is to behave as if the worst case is true!!!

        • 2014-09-02 24529, 2014

      • derwin
        there's no indication of anything like that behavior, but it's very important that we protect against this abuse which isn't happening

        • 2014-09-02 24544, 2014

      • hawke
        HibiscusKazeneko: It’s a special case for Various Artists: 'open edits' would be huge, so it’s hidden. You also can’t subscribe to VA

        • 2014-09-02 24552, 2014

      • hawke
        (At least I think that’s the case.

        • 2014-09-02 24508, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        The header for Capcom Sound Team is also yellow. I checked its open edits and nothing.

        • 2014-09-02 24522, 2014

      • LordSputnik has left the channel

        • 2014-09-02 24527, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        So either there's an open edit that's hidden from public view or I'm experiencing a bug

        • 2014-09-02 24533, 2014

      • CallerNo6
        hawke: beats the crap outta me. I see that e.g. arkivmusic credits only Julia Fischer.

        • 2014-09-02 24517, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I even checked the beta server to see if it was a server-side issue and it's yellow there too

        • 2014-09-02 24547, 2014

      • hawke
        http://musicbrainz.org/edit/29045740 ?

        • 2014-09-02 24509, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Various Artists is yellow too

        • 2014-09-02 24510, 2014

      • hawke
        I see 6 open edits for Capcom Sound Team

        • 2014-09-02 24534, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Ah, there's a new alias in the alias field. That must be it.

        • 2014-09-02 24550, 2014

      • hawke
        That was what I was about to mention: “TVサントラ”

        • 2014-09-02 24523, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        Shouldn't that go in [soundtrack] though?

        • 2014-09-02 24535, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        I guess it could be used for both

        • 2014-09-02 24556, 2014

      • hawke
        I don’t know. I don’t know how to find the open edit for that one to see the justification. :-

        • 2014-09-02 24504, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        My dad wants to go to dinner

        • 2014-09-02 24508, 2014

      • HibiscusKazeneko
        be back later

        • 2014-09-02 24516, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        gah, damn that computer lag

        • 2014-09-02 24550, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        hawke: I know how to search for the edits.

        • 2014-09-02 24538, 2014

      • hawke
        I suppose you can just do a regular edit search, can’t you?

        • 2014-09-02 24554, 2014

      • hawke
        But that doesn’t find anything.

        • 2014-09-02 24559, 2014

      • hawke
        (for VA)

        • 2014-09-02 24556, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Just look at my open ones: http://musicbrainz.org/user/KRSCuan/edits/open

        • 2014-09-02 24511, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        I'm removing the TVサントラ alias from VA.

        • 2014-09-02 24528, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Merging a newly created TVサントラ entry into [soundtrack]

        • 2014-09-02 24525, 2014

      • KRSCuan
        Oh great.