#musicbrainz

(or as-in-other-database or whatever)

as-in-other-database, even less so.

I think we're on the same page.

I mean, I guess I can see 'as on cover' being relevant inasmuch as it’s interesting to document what releases actually said.

but these edits aren’t even preserving something that’s on any cover that I know of.

It sounds like a ridiculous thing to do anyway. The only time I can imagine it mattering is with fictional characters or maybe alter-egos.

It would be somewhat interesting to see when exactly the artist in question went from using 桜井智 to 櫻井智, I guess.

(and I'm not even sure about those)

I guess. But if the choice is between making a db that helps you see connections and making a db that helps you obfuscate connections...

... my vote is for seeing connections.

If it's not always an either-or, but at some point the granularity is too damned high.

Yep.

hawke1: https://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/20...

pen‐names ARE used in releases (of course)

jesus2099: Sometimes they are, but I was speaking of this specific release.

ruaok: any news of the bot which added some bad and/or duplicate contents ? now when i linger on MB i can see its mark…

hawke1: MY SISTER ?

you have scans ?

of the lyrics credits ?

if they’re that way in JASRAC (together with many others) i have little doubt it was not on releaseS

jesus2099: This was before hibiscuskazeneko linked to the VGMDB for the single.

I never got mail from you, jesus2099. :(

i used the send mail feature on your user page

jesus2099: I still think that in this specific case it is such a minor variation that they should be merged anyway

can you [off] me an address or a PM ? i will forward…

minor … ?

done

jesus2099: Yes, a tiny tiny difference. Like “Alan” vs. “Al” only even smaller than that since it’s pronounced the same.

there is a huge difference in my opinion

it’s a name change

it means more than that

jesus2099: or like (to take an example from the style page) Katie Tunstall vs K.T. Tunstall

ruaok: damn either i didn’t send it, or it was filtered in my spam…… :/

my spam didn't see anything. I just checked.

jesus2099: what does it mean to you? I’ll be the first to admit that I am not intimately familiar with the history of these artists. But there is little mention on the wikipedia page about it, I would think that if it were significant they would have mentioned.

accofrding to yahoo mail i did not send the message at all…… :/ maybe i forgot to click send or something. i’ll write another one but not today, grrr

ruaok: ↗

k :)

any name change is significant to me when it’s japanese artist… i have never seen anything as simplistic as Alan→Al yet

ok i’m not japanese

but i know you would as well merge all pen names ;p

i did the merge mistake once some time ago

i regret because it’s so hard to do the work again of splitting

now that we have AC and that i’ve grown up

I think AC lets us do a lot more merging than we could before. But of course I have long had the opinion that “AC captures credit, AR captures fact”. That’s not an argument we’re going to settle here/now, of course.

i regret a post‐AC merge of course

crap ! a pre‐AC merge i meant

i should have been more patient (like you should now) and wait a little bit more until we got AC and then only merge keeping AC

you should be little bit more patient and merge only when we do get the AC on AR stuff

or you’ll regret big tears like me today

(or you won’t, maybe)

jesus2099: :-) — I just don’t think MBS-333 can work. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong someday.

maybe you would not believe in AC before either

it’ the same 100%

check out discogs*

it will make you believe ;)

have faith

btw i have to switch off that computer, good night MB ;)

(which is how I understand the current mb ontology)

er, that is "one or more mb-artists are used to represent an IRL-artist"

héhé

CallerNo6: In other words, add a level above current MB-artist?

hawke1: well, definitely another level conceptually. I don't know how implementation should work.

CallerNo6: I feel like that wouldn’t really help much…basically would turn our MB-artist into an artist-credit entity.

That's what I'm saying. IIUC, it already is that.

which is ok but a lot of work.

More than adding release-specific credits to each AR, I think.

But it's the system we already have :-)

CallerNo6: From a data-editing perspective, it’s a matter of splitting a million artists vs. changing a million artist credits. Dunno which ends up being easier.

splitting?

(although if it can be done, somebody will do it I guess)

I just think that once you compile a list of all the things you wish you could do with ACs, they start to look a lot like mb-artists. dates, relationships specific to that name, etc

oops

CallerNo6: I would think to just treat it similar to how we edit track-artist ACs now, but for every AR: a release-specific name for the related artist.

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hi. i've this album http://www.amazon.co.uk/Tchaikovsky-Ballet-Suit... it's not in mb. i'm unsure which release group to add it to, and then the artist. if it's a cover the the artist performing with an artist credit toward the original artist?

this is a preetty serious question

as classical editing is complex.

someone in here can answer...

another (eventual) string to the bow :) but thanks

n1md4: rejoice! http://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/8219baac-06...

(found by searching for release = "ballet suiten AND artist:Пётр Ильич Чайковский" )

hmm. shouldn't "AND asin:B000001GX7" have worked?

oh. duh. no "AND".

n1md4: so you don't need to add the release, but if you feel like it you could add the discid and scanned cover art :-)