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      • Freso
        Also, if so... "Group"? Or "Other"?
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      • warp
        Freso: I've just used artist credits for multi-host podcasts so far.
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      • johtso_
        if someone could apply my merge of an accidentally created release group that would be awesome! http://musicbrainz.org/edit/30291146
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      • chirlu`
        Only ModBot can, in forty minutes.
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      • johtso_ reads up on what modbot does
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      • johtso_
        is there a wiki page or something that describes the things modbot does?
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      • chirlu`
        Not sure. Probably not.
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      • chirlu`
        The essential part here is that it applies edits that have expired or have reached the required number of votes.
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      • johtso_
        ahhh, gotcha, 3 unanimous votes and then modbot applies it
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      • Freso
        warp: Well, I created the artist already. I'm also not sure how I would AC it.
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      • Freso
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      • Freso
        There's a nifty flow chart there that explains what happens.
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      • Freso
        It's even been updated for the 7 day expiration.
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      • Freso
        The two "2 'Yes'" and "2 'No'" should probably updated to say "+2". Who's made those charts? Is the source available?
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      • Freso
        Mineo: ^ ?
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      • johtso_
        ah, nice one
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      • Mineo
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      • johtso_
        I gather that it also does some other clever things, like detecting that there's something bad about and edit and refusing to apply it?
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      • Freso
        johtso_: Sure. Modbot's code is also available somewhere (is it part of mb-server or standalone somewhere?), but that page describes the voting flow.
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      • Freso
        Mineo: Do I need to install graphviz or can you pull https://gist.github.com/Freso/8ca46a376b82fb67acdf and generate a new image? :)
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      • reosarevok
        johtso_: well, "clever"
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      • reosarevok
        If an edit causes a server error, then it just fails to apply it because of that
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      • reosarevok
        But it will keep trying every hour, it just can't :)
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      • Freso
        Oh. There's even a link to the source on the File: page. Ah well.
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      • Mineo
        Freso: I've uploaded a new version
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      • Freso
        Mineo: Cheers. :)
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      • chirlu`
        ModBot is part of MBS.
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      • Freso
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      • chirlu`
        Actually, the flow chart is oversimplifying, because you can change your vote after the fact. Also, a No vote causes an extension of the voting period. :-)
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      • Freso
        chirlu`: Hence the -simple in the filename?
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      • chirlu`
        Probably.
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      • hawke
        What’s the right way to handle it when a place changes type?
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      • hawke
        (e.g. a stadium becomes an arena, or a field/park has a stadium built)
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      • kepstin-laptop
        new place, with start date set to after end date of previous place?
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      • hawke
        Ehh…but it’s not really (well, not necessarily) a new place.
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      • chirlu`
        But it has changed so much, it can be called a new place.
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      • hawke
        chirlu`: I don’t think that’s true, any more than many renovations are.
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      • hawke
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_Stadium_(Sa… — original capacity 4,000 people, now holds over 30,000.
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      • hawke
        obviously it has changed a lot for that to happen
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      • hawke
        similarly, building a baseball stadium around an existing baseball field doesn’t make it a whole new place
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      • hawke
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      • hawke
        (or am I completely wrong?)
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      • Freso
        If it can still be considered the same place (e.g., the baseball field -> stadium), I would make the type whatever is the most current one, if it still exists, or how it's mostly known now if it no longer exists (e.g., if the stadium was demolished and turned into a parking lot).
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      • hawke
        Freso: So, similar to how naming is handled? That makes sense.
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      • hawke
        Freso: (though, naming a place "parking lot" is kind of amusing)
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      • Freso
        Parking Alot.
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      • Freso
        Alot parking.
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      • reosarevok
        :(
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      • reosarevok
        can't find alot of cars
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      • Freso
        :(
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      • hawke
        It’d be nice if the display of place-names were tied to the date of the event…so it would show the correct name for the time.
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      • Freso
        Working my way through this: https://musicbrainz.org/series/f158ad31-bc44-4b22… - any feedback on the approach?
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      • Freso
        hawke: "correct name for the time"?
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      • hawke
        Freso: Yeah…for the time period when the event happened.
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      • hawke
        I think it would largely eliminate the need for a lot of “Formerly xxy” disambiguation comments on venues
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      • Freso
        Ah.
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      • Freso
        Gotcha.
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      • hawke
        Hmm…so that’s a series of recordings, eh?
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      • Freso
        I was thinking "11:00" vs. "11.00" vs. "11^{00}" etc.
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      • Freso
        hawke: It's a podcast, yes. Orderes as a series.
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      • Freso
        *Ordered
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      • hawke
        neat
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      • hawke
        First one I’ve seen.
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      • Freso
        :p
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      • kepstin-laptop
        still doesn't let us have release dates on the individual podcast episodes tho :/
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      • hawke
        Only thing missing…yeah, that.
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      • Freso
        Yeah. :/
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      • Freso
        I'm adding dates to URL rels for now.
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      • hawke
        Could an area editor please import https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landover,_Maryland ?
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      • chirlu`
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      • chirlu`
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      • hawke
        nod, I found it. Thanks.
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      • hawke
        Hmm, not sure that “Musicbrainz Summit 2014 HQ” is really a good MB-place.
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      • hawke
        Isn’t “Musicbrainz Summit 2014” an event, held at some pre-existing place?
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      • Freso
        hawke: We didn't want to add the regular residents' home by name.
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      • Freso
        So if we decide to call the place that during the time we stayed there, I see no issue with the name.
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      • hawke
        Freso: Why not by address, then?
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      • Freso
        Call it "artist intent".
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      • hawke
        or [untitled]?
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      • Freso
        Well, being (part of) the artist, I named it what it is named.
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      • Freso
        So, ArtistIntent.
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      • hawke
        I don’t think places have artist intent. :-p
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      • hawke
        Unless you’re the architect.
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      • Freso
        If I decide my apartment is going to be called "Freso's Crib", then that would be artist intent. Several places change name on the whims of the proprietor rather than the architect.
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      • hawke
        I suppose so, but it’s still not artist intent.
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      • Freso
        So if that is how it was named in the liner notes of a CD, that would be wrong to enter it as?
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      • hawke
        I would say so, yeah.
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      • hawke
        An alias, maybe
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      • hawke
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      • hawke
        And if anyone knows 1987 Sweden well enough to identify what place this is: http://beta.musicbrainz.org/event/91c3d203-753a-4… — please add the place for it. ;-)
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      • hawke
        Also a more specific place for http://beta.musicbrainz.org/place/d73fa751-225a-4… would be good
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      • hawke
        (also sweden)