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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        What should I do about a release like this? https://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/45b4870b-bf1…
      • 2015-01-04 00446, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        There are 2 sets of track titles: one English/Portuguese and one Japanese
      • 2015-01-04 00455, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        The release's back cover uses the Latin titles http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m12…
      • 2015-01-04 00410, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        While the artist's website uses the Japanese titles http://www.corcovado.cc/pages/discos/disco.html
      • 2015-01-04 00422, 2015

      • KRS-Cuan
        Follow the release then, and maybe add the other stuff as a pseudo.
      • 2015-01-04 00440, 2015

      • KRS-Cuan
        Websites are secondary sources, as is the obi.
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      • CatQuest
        hibiscuskazeneko: absolutly. if he starts. point the edit to here and we'll tell him so
      • 2015-01-04 00402, 2015

      • Audioburn
        hi
      • 2015-01-04 00401, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        CatQuest: It's already happened. https://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/30023261
      • 2015-01-04 00426, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        He gave me the classic "you snooze, you lose" rationalization
      • 2015-01-04 00449, 2015

      • CatQuest
        didn't we sort that one out?
      • 2015-01-04 00415, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
      • 2015-01-04 00435, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I was forced to add them together, and he accused me of disobeying
      • 2015-01-04 00445, 2015

      • CatQuest
        erh
      • 2015-01-04 00459, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        "stepping behind one's back" is the same as "disobeying"
      • 2015-01-04 00421, 2015

      • CatQuest
        a) you are not forced
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      • CatQuest
        b) if someone accuses you of disobeying" you snort and say "are you my mother?"
      • 2015-01-04 00407, 2015

      • CatQuest
        and he's ludicrous to insiunuate that he decides this outside the comunity
      • 2015-01-04 00418, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        kyeopta did that and it didn't turn out well https://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/26671560
      • 2015-01-04 00425, 2015

      • CatQuest
        and you're strange to assum that any rule one person makes is something you have to follow. you must follow comunity consesus
      • 2015-01-04 00445, 2015

      • CatQuest
        and as a part of the comunity you can activly contribute ot consensus
      • 2015-01-04 00413, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        CatQuest: No I can't. I was already overruled.
      • 2015-01-04 00433, 2015

      • CatQuest
        I remember that I posted that here but sadly noone votes on it (I didn't as I am not knowledgable about this)
      • 2015-01-04 00440, 2015

      • CatQuest
        of course you can
      • 2015-01-04 00443, 2015

      • CatQuest
        you ant be overruled
      • 2015-01-04 00457, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
      • 2015-01-04 00428, 2015

      • CatQuest
        try again. complain. if the comunity disagree with you say "oh well" if the comunity agrees" say "jippi"
      • 2015-01-04 00448, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        They shot me down.
      • 2015-01-04 00455, 2015

      • CatQuest
        who is they?
      • 2015-01-04 00403, 2015

      • CatQuest
        it's ok to be disagreed with
      • 2015-01-04 00425, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
      • 2015-01-04 00430, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Nikki was in on it
      • 2015-01-04 00440, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        It's not OK if she's involved
      • 2015-01-04 00445, 2015

      • CatQuest
        noone cars if you got a vote voted no. they care if you use it as a mark to argue that "you can't get done anything an am overruled" then people aren't ging to care when you complain. choose your battles
      • 2015-01-04 00448, 2015

      • CatQuest
        people are not evil
      • 2015-01-04 00406, 2015

      • CatQuest
        ok it's somewhat true that nikki has some say in this
      • 2015-01-04 00407, 2015

      • CatQuest
        but
      • 2015-01-04 00425, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        MBChatLogger: off
      • 2015-01-04 00425, 2015

      • MBChatLogger
        is not logging
      • 2015-01-04 00446, 2015

      • MBChatLogger
        is logging
      • 2015-01-04 00454, 2015

      • CatQuest
        yes we are and I frequently do
      • 2015-01-04 00407, 2015

      • CatQuest
        reosarevok is definitely not in that group
      • 2015-01-04 00421, 2015

      • CatQuest
        only rob is a "BDFL"
      • 2015-01-04 00425, 2015

      • CatQuest
        reo is styledude idk nikki
      • 2015-01-04 00448, 2015

      • CatQuest
        also I am not friends with rob anymore. but that is a personal disagreement with him and me and nothing todo with musicrainz stuff
      • 2015-01-04 00412, 2015

      • CatQuest
        so for that I will defend him in his right. I agree that things are not pefect since these are humans and humas are requently wrong
      • 2015-01-04 00422, 2015

      • Freso
        Mineo: Did you just close a beets PR?
      • 2015-01-04 00441, 2015

      • CatQuest
        but you are *causing* bad blood with acusations
      • 2015-01-04 00408, 2015

      • CatQuest
        I am MUSICBRAINZ. I am a comunit member. acusing of overuling and such? you're accusing me? wat have i ever doen agaisnt you
      • 2015-01-04 00420, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        You personally haven't done much.
      • 2015-01-04 00423, 2015

      • CatQuest
        and we've said about other sites are completely NOT usicbrainz
      • 2015-01-04 00424, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        if anything
      • 2015-01-04 00428, 2015

      • CatQuest
        fHAH
      • 2015-01-04 00439, 2015

      • derwin
        careful w/ double meaning
      • 2015-01-04 00441, 2015

      • CatQuest
        you don't know shit what i've done rachel. please
      • 2015-01-04 00455, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        nothing that affects this situation, that I'm aware of
      • 2015-01-04 00456, 2015

      • derwin
        hk could mean you have not done much overruling
      • 2015-01-04 00402, 2015

      • CatQuest
        derwin: stay out of this once darling
      • 2015-01-04 00403, 2015

      • derwin
        not that you have not contributed
      • 2015-01-04 00405, 2015

      • Freso
        I frequently disagree with nikki, reo, and rob.
      • 2015-01-04 00410, 2015

      • derwin
        just trying to help w/ parsing
      • 2015-01-04 00412, 2015

      • CatQuest
        heh
      • 2015-01-04 00413, 2015

      • derwin
        to de-escalate
      • 2015-01-04 00424, 2015

      • CatQuest
        I also frequnetly disagree with hawke. and warp
      • 2015-01-04 00440, 2015

      • CatQuest
        but we are friends. and there are NO clics
      • 2015-01-04 00450, 2015

      • derwin
        "nothing that affects this situation" = you haven't done much IN THIS CASE, not that you don't contribute to mb generally :)
      • 2015-01-04 00459, 2015

      • derwin
        (and now stepping back :D)
      • 2015-01-04 00400, 2015

      • CatQuest
        it's ok to disagree with hawke. he's stil la human being with contributions
      • 2015-01-04 00414, 2015

      • CatQuest
        hell even yindesu has usability on site. he's just too.. idk, anal? ocd? ifk
      • 2015-01-04 00426, 2015

      • CatQuest
        I don't contribute much any more sadly
      • 2015-01-04 00434, 2015

      • derwin
        I agree that generally other sites are not mb, you are unlkely to be ganged up on as much on mb etc.
      • 2015-01-04 00439, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        He's usually helpful, but he does get uptight about certain things.
      • 2015-01-04 00440, 2015

      • flamingspinach
        lol "stepping around my back", hk even linked to the edit on the other edit's comments
      • 2015-01-04 00441, 2015

      • flamingspinach
        what
      • 2015-01-04 00414, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I took that to mean he had declared himself the final authority
      • 2015-01-04 00442, 2015

      • CatQuest
        yes. terminology like that is wrong of yindesu to use and it's possibly not-quite-coc-y
      • 2015-01-04 00448, 2015

      • CatQuest
        yes
      • 2015-01-04 00457, 2015

      • flamingspinach
        to do that he has to recite the magic spell "I am become auto-editor, destroyer of worlds" first
      • 2015-01-04 00401, 2015

      • CatQuest
        and when anyone does that hibiscuskazeneko, you laugh at them. not take them seriously
      • 2015-01-04 00407, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        he even accused Hawke of abuse of power in one forum thread
      • 2015-01-04 00416, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        lemme dig it up
      • 2015-01-04 00421, 2015

      • CatQuest
        hmm yes.. hat was weird. but I don't know it
      • 2015-01-04 00431, 2015

      • CatQuest
        no need it's not importnat now
      • 2015-01-04 00404, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        pot to kettle?
      • 2015-01-04 00408, 2015

      • CatQuest
        the point is
      • 2015-01-04 00426, 2015

      • CatQuest
        please *try* to not accuse anyone on musicbrainz with such hard words
      • 2015-01-04 00449, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        those were his words, not mine
      • 2015-01-04 00400, 2015

      • CatQuest
        i suuspect that those things are the reasons things sou r for you on sites.. you see these paterns and then they become reality. and then maybe you come across ome asshole and it just becomes confirmation for you
      • 2015-01-04 00412, 2015

      • CatQuest
        I mean in general
      • 2015-01-04 00426, 2015

      • CatQuest
        like "over ruled" and "I was shit down" and I "was accused of disobeying"
      • 2015-01-04 00434, 2015

      • CatQuest
        erh i ws shot not shit
      • 2015-01-04 00438, 2015

      • CatQuest
        >_<
      • 2015-01-04 00439, 2015

      • CatQuest
        sorry
      • 2015-01-04 00443, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        it's a common American expression
      • 2015-01-04 00455, 2015

      • CatQuest
        it's harsh
      • 2015-01-04 00400, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        it means "stopped in the act" or something along those lines
      • 2015-01-04 00404, 2015

      • CatQuest
        also remember a lot of the user base is not american or even english native
      • 2015-01-04 00409, 2015

      • CatQuest
        I am from norway f.ex
      • 2015-01-04 00428, 2015

      • CatQuest
        so you should. if possible always error on the side of subtle
      • 2015-01-04 00414, 2015

      • CatQuest
        also it makes you look agressive and attacking even if you're right. if youdown play things that happen or you, people will thingk you are levelheaded and have sympathy for you
      • 2015-01-04 00402, 2015

      • CatQuest
        if you're negative even when negative things happen, people wont want to listen
      • 2015-01-04 00421, 2015

      • CatQuest
        if you are "cheerful" even when things get you down people will want t sympathise with you
      • 2015-01-04 00454, 2015

      • flamingspinach
        also if you must be negative, be negative in a funny or charismatic way, then people will sympathise with you too ;)
      • 2015-01-04 00410, 2015

      • CatQuest
        like "ahh aain yindesu has disagree with me, can I get another persons input on this edit please? :)" instead of "yindeus is at it again, I was shot down there isn't naything i cna do"
      • 2015-01-04 00418, 2015

      • CatQuest
        flamingspinach: lol yes
      • 2015-01-04 00450, 2015

      • flamingspinach
        "yindeus" sounds more like an ultimate authority than "yindesu" :P
      • 2015-01-04 00455, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        hahaha
      • 2015-01-04 00457, 2015

      • CatQuest
        I know it's hard hat. especially if you feel the whole world is after you
      • 2015-01-04 00458, 2015

      • CatQuest
        i know that
      • 2015-01-04 00406, 2015

      • CatQuest
        hahaha
      • 2015-01-04 00418, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        sounds like a Roman emperor
      • 2015-01-04 00423, 2015

      • CatQuest
        ja øss :D
      • 2015-01-04 00425, 2015

      • CatQuest
        uff
      • 2015-01-04 00440, 2015

      • flamingspinach
        sounds like 陰デウス
      • 2015-01-04 00442, 2015

      • CatQuest bows. he isn'tr really trying to type properly. i'm sorry
      • 2015-01-04 00444, 2015

      • flamingspinach
        SHADOW GOD
      • 2015-01-04 00446, 2015

      • flamingspinach
        scary...
      • 2015-01-04 00400, 2015

      • CatQuest
        uff da
      • 2015-01-04 00406, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        sounds like Vashta Nerada
      • 2015-01-04 00416, 2015

      • CatQuest
        Avada Kadavra?
      • 2015-01-04 00426, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
      • 2015-01-04 00447, 2015

      • hibiscuskazeneko
        basically tiny creatures that pretend to be shadows and eat people
      • 2015-01-04 00458, 2015

      • CatQuest
        hmm I was playing word-assosiation. though I should have remember that. it seemed similar too
      • 2015-01-04 00400, 2015

      • CatQuest
        heh
      • 2015-01-04 00406, 2015

      • CatQuest
        "who turned out thel ights?!"
      • 2015-01-04 00431, 2015

      • Freso
        Well, "deus" means god, so "yindeus"...
      • 2015-01-04 00454, 2015

      • flamingspinach
        and "yin" means "shadow" (as in yin-yang, shadow and sunlight)
      • 2015-01-04 00456, 2015

      • flamingspinach
        hence SHADOW GOD
      • 2015-01-04 00402, 2015

      • CatQuest
        yea
      • 2015-01-04 00428, 2015

      • CatQuest
        aha
      • 2015-01-04 00405, 2015

      • hawke
        wait, people don't 100% agree with me?
      • 2015-01-04 00412, 2015

      • CatQuest
        :D
      • 2015-01-04 00420, 2015

      • hawke
        Well shit, now I know why shit doesn't get done instantly. ;-)
      • 2015-01-04 00454, 2015

      • Freso
        Of course we agree with you!
      • 2015-01-04 00404, 2015

      • Freso
        We just don't agree with the interpretation of what you mean.
      • 2015-01-04 00408, 2015

      • Freso
        *agree on
      • 2015-01-04 00452, 2015

      • hawke
        hahaha
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      • tab1293
        if I have a recording's mbid is it possible to retrieve the track number on the release it was on?
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