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        2 digital mediums?

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      • Freso
        Is that report of old-style-Discogs links still up somewhere, or was it worked through?

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      • axilla
        hello, im working on a new music related app and wondering if there are limitations to what kind of 3rd party app can use images or data from musicbrainz/cover art archive?

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      • axilla
        re: marketplaces, stores, etc.

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      • axilla
        been working using discogs but discovering the 1k limit seems to be a deal breaker for me. looking to switch over to musicbrainz

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      • Freso
        axilla: You may want to write to support [at mb] and ask about details, especially if it's a commercial application. CAA should be free game though.

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      • axilla
        Freso: thanks

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      • chirlu`
        Freso: There are still almost 500 old Discogs URLs left.

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      • chirlu`
        Hm, an AE candidate I haven’t ever seen before …

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      • reosarevok
        I have, fixing Spanish caps and feats. Generally fine

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      • reosarevok
        But I'd still like to see a zas mail :)

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      • Freso
        chirlu`: But, do you have the link?

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      • chirlu`
        Certainly, now that it’s reachable again: http://reports.mbsandbox.org/report/175/view

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      • Freso
        Heh. O:)

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      • Freso
        That's a few less of those.

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      • reosarevok
        What's with those? Can't be auto-fixed?

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      • Freso
        Nope.

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      • Freso
        They don't resolve to anything on Discogs (because backwards compatibility? Psh!) and most of the names are ambigious.

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      • Freso
        I mean, it's probably possible to do, by traversing the release they appear on and artists they appear with for their Discogs IDs and then cross-reference with Discogs to fine an ANV matching the original artist in a place that matches MB data... but if you write a bot like that, please don't limit it to just fixing old Discogs URLs. :)

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      • reosarevok
        haha

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      • reosarevok
        Sure, just wondering what it was :)

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      • nikki
        Freso: to be fair, they implemented backwards compatibility as best they could, the poor choice of original url scheme meant it was never going to be perfect

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      • CatQuest
        soo I can't help myself if there's a report and stuff

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      • CatQuest
        https://beta.musicbrainz.org/edit/31169138

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      • hawke
        Are there any style guidelines about when to use collaboration artists?

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      • reosarevok
        No

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      • reosarevok
        "this is intended for short term collaborations that don't merit their own artist page" in http://beta.musicbrainz.org/doc/How_to_Split_Arti… is I think the closest we have

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      • reosarevok
        (and it's not very close :p)

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      • hawke
        Nod…and that page explicitly says it’s not a style guideline. ;-)

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      • hawke
        Just trying to give some advice on http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?pid=2…

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      • hawke
        Hmm, I can’t select a cover art type on http://beta.musicbrainz.org/release/62332a0a-b167…

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      • hawke
        Is it just me, or something wrong on beta?

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      • hawke
        not just beta… :-/

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      • Mineo
        I can select the types

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      • Mineo
        in Fx (:P) and chromium

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      • CallerNo6
        am I being over-simplistic? it seems to me like you create a collaboration artist if that artist has relationships. a home page, members, or whatever.

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      • hawke
        Looks like it’s a userscript. wonder which one.

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      • hawke
        CallerNo6: well, they all have members surely.

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      • CallerNo6
        hawke, beyond the named ones, I mean

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      • CallerNo6
        Like, if Hall & Oates considers their drummer a permanent member

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      • nikki
        hawke: https://beta.musicbrainz.org/relationship/75c0986… at least has similar guidelines

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      • CallerNo6
        hmm. I like my version more :-)

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      • nikki
        Mineo: from what I remember, modbot waits 24 hours after the last edit closes and the script runs once a day, so somewhere between 24 and 48 hours

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      • hawke
        CallerNo6: It seems basically the same: separate artist if there’s a reason to create a separate artist.

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      • hawke
        Sucks that that guys ripper can’t handle artist credits though

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      • Mineo
        nikki: ah, thanks, I've updated my post

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      • nikki refreshes

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      • nikki
        well, it wasn't nonsense, it does wait 2 hours, it just waits another 22 hours after that as well :P

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      • CallerNo6
        hmm. do the guidelines mention anywhere that there are also official guidelines @ mb.org/relationship/foo?

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      • CallerNo6
        it seems like that should be mentioned at the top of style/relationships

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      • reosarevok
        http://beta.musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Relationshi… "Many relationships also have their own guidelines which, should they conflict, supersede the ones on this page"

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      • reosarevok
        I don't know if they specify where though :p

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      • hawke
        In general it seems to me that finding the guidelines for ARs is difficult

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      • CallerNo6
        if there were an easy way to do it, I'd have made a single-page version of the guidelines by now

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      • CallerNo6
        but without fancy plugins, you can't transclude sections, only whole pages

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        great, my connection activated while I was sleeping

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        (and my laptop should have been as well)

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I feel like baking edible versions of these now http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2015-01-…

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      • CallerNo6
        yeah, maybe it's my inability to delay gratification, but I'd rather have a cupcake than a cupcake-shaped keychain

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        ditto

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        (those are cell phone straps, BTW)

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      • CallerNo6
        that too

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      • CallerNo6
        lanyard? or is a cell phone strap something else?

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        it's a charm attached to a small loop on the outside of a flip phone or other non-smart phone

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      • nikki
        I wish my current phone had a loop for attaching stuff :/

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        http://www.8season-supplies.com/myfiles/image/Mob…

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        Apparently there are cases with loops on them

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        I don't know if they're sold outside of Japan

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      • nikki
        I ended up just attaching one to my touchscreen pen thingy instead, since that has a hole at the top

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8460/7942695242_dd…

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      • nikki
        ah, cool... although I'd be worried that if I tried to hold my phone using it, the phone might just fall out of the case

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        ah, I just read the blog post and the poster modified a regular iPhone case to add a loop

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8460/7942695242_dd…

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      • Freso
        CallerNo6: I usually make "collaborations" if it can't be properly listed using ARs. "Artist A & Artist B" I will only make if it's a group.

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      • CallerNo6
        Freso, "ACs"?

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      • CallerNo6 is trying to parse

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        nikki: http://www.amazon.com/iphone5-strap-iphone-NETSUK…

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      • Freso
        CallerNo6: Yeah, ACs.

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      • nikki
        heh, yeah, that looks more secure

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      • Freso
        CallerNo6: I would call Simon & G a band, for example, not a collaboration.

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      • nikki
        (not that I have an iphone)

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      • kepstin-laptop
        one of my friends got a cell phone charm from korea, the string had a plug attached which fit into the headphone jack on the phone

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      • kepstin-laptop
        to work around modern smartphones from korea not having loops to attach them :)

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      • CallerNo6
        Freso, for S&G, what is the defining difference?

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      • hibiscuskazeneko
        nikki: What do you have? A Galaxy Note?

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      • nikki
        nexus 4

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      • Freso
        CallerNo6: Mostly the extensiveness of it.

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      • Freso
        Simon & Garfunkel are no more a collaboration than the Beatles was.

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      • nikki
        I'm really considering getting a new one though because it sucks

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      • kepstin-laptop still likes his nexus 4.

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      • Freso
        Just because they happen to name their group in the format of "ArtistA & ArtistB" rather than "The SG" doesn't make it less of a genuine group.