or... i could just run steam on my existing desktop computer rather than getting an extra one that I can't use for other apps?
2015-03-05 06436, 2015
CallerNo6
when SteamOS makes it into the annual 'linux sucks' presentation, then I'll know it has arrived
2015-03-05 06436, 2015
Leo_Verto
kepstin-laptop, ofc you could, some people just want to buy a complete console
2015-03-05 06402, 2015
kepstin-laptop
sure, but that means i'm not the target market of steam machines
2015-03-05 06412, 2015
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Mineo
Leo_Verto: that implies you're willing to think about where you run your games if you already have a pc that's capable of running steam
2015-03-05 06419, 2015
kepstin-laptop is apparently nobody because of that :)
2015-03-05 06449, 2015
Mineo
and I don't think the hardcore gamers will simply still assemble their own pc because they'll be upgrading it all the time anyways
2015-03-05 06453, 2015
Leo_Verto
kepstin-laptop, nope, you still benefit from them because everything that runs on SteamOS also runs on steam for linux :D
2015-03-05 06433, 2015
Mineo
s/don't//
2015-03-05 06407, 2015
Leo_Verto
ofc the hardcore gamers and people like me and you will continue building their own PCs, but a linux distro will actually become a legit option for them
2015-03-05 06419, 2015
Leo_Verto
a lot of people don't switch because of one or two games
2015-03-05 06447, 2015
Leo_Verto
with publishers and devs being interested in the steam machine market, more and more games will be ported
2015-03-05 06400, 2015
kepstin-laptop actually already has two systems with a kvm switch, a windows box for gaming and a linux box for real work.
2015-03-05 06430, 2015
Mineo
Leo_Verto: so now you have a few more gamers on linux, how does that make windows die relatively soon?
2015-03-05 06415, 2015
Leo_Verto
Linux as a platform is going to become more attractive in general
2015-03-05 06439, 2015
reosarevok
Yeah, it might make Linux as a platform as big as OSX :p
2015-03-05 06444, 2015
Leo_Verto
And honestly, Windows is only the most used desktop OS because it came first
2015-03-05 06459, 2015
derwin
macos predates windows
2015-03-05 06410, 2015
derwin
windows is the most used desktop because bill gates got it bundled with generic pcs
2015-03-05 06416, 2015
derwin
and apple wanted hardware market share
2015-03-05 06417, 2015
Leo_Verto
mhm, the IBM deal
2015-03-05 06443, 2015
Mineo
I'm still with kepstin-laptop there, the linux userspace is not as great as many people say it is (not only regarding security)
2015-03-05 06434, 2015
Leo_Verto
still a whole lot better than the proprietary, insecure mess windows is
2015-03-05 06439, 2015
kepstin-laptop
i mean, i love my linux desktop systems. But i'm a software developer, somewhat involved in the creation and setup of said systems
2015-03-05 06406, 2015
kepstin-laptop
security holes are being found and patched *all the time* in linux stuff
2015-03-05 06419, 2015
Mineo
Leo_Verto: my parents don't care if linux is supposedly more secure
2015-03-05 06426, 2015
kepstin-laptop
an unupdated linux system from a couple years ago might as well be windows xp
2015-03-05 06413, 2015
kepstin-laptop
most embedded linux systems and linux phones (e.g. android) receive security updates either late or never
2015-03-05 06416, 2015
Leo_Verto
closed source means that there still are tons of exploitable issues slumbering deep inside windows
2015-03-05 06435, 2015
Leo_Verto
mhm, stuff like heartbleed and shellshock?
2015-03-05 06435, 2015
Mineo
it also means that not everyone can just look at the source to find them :P
2015-03-05 06450, 2015
kepstin-laptop
same is true of linux, just because something is open-source doesn't mean there's no security holes still in there
2015-03-05 06457, 2015
kepstin-laptop
most of them are just called "bugs" tho
2015-03-05 06415, 2015
reosarevok will believe on linux-on-the-desktop when big companies sell Linux laptops that autoupdate to middle-aged, non-tech people and they don't complain about it :p
2015-03-05 06439, 2015
kepstin-laptop
reosarevok: ever heard of something called a "chromebook"?
2015-03-05 06453, 2015
Leo_Verto
Mineo, people who want to exploit something are going to find holes either way
2015-03-05 06455, 2015
Mineo
reosarevok: if you wait until you're middle-aged, that might actually happen :P
2015-03-05 06456, 2015
reosarevok
kepstin-laptop: did anyone buy those? :p
2015-03-05 06404, 2015
kepstin-laptop
reosarevok: apparently.
2015-03-05 06414, 2015
Leo_Verto
security by obscurity is an outdated concept
2015-03-05 06441, 2015
kepstin-laptop
the unfortunate thing is that a lot of linux stuff isn't really secure, but is only considered so because it is obscure.
2015-03-05 06423, 2015
STalKer-X
whom do i enter as artist, when there is a composer and a performer? :D
2015-03-05 06433, 2015
Leo_Verto
performer
2015-03-05 06448, 2015
kepstin-laptop
the artist credit should be the credited artist, and link the composer and performer with composer and performer relations.
2015-03-05 06430, 2015
reosarevok
STalKer-X: classical?
2015-03-05 06450, 2015
CallerNo6
if you're talking about track artists on classical, theatre or soundtracks, there are more specific guidelines
2015-03-05 06406, 2015
reosarevok
Unrelated to all of it, but Peter Warlock is a pretty cool name to have
if "echoes of the underworld" is a series title, then you'd put that first.
2015-03-05 06457, 2015
CallerNo6
I'm not sure what to do with "ambient relaxation".
2015-03-05 06452, 2015
CatQuest
yes there is wine. but it seems like such a cludge to use wine to run a win8 optimised Dosbox version of a dos game when I could have just run it in osx native dosbox :P
2015-03-05 06443, 2015
CallerNo6
maybe it ("ambient relaxation") is merely descriptive, and not part of the title, like e.g. "as seen on TV"
2015-03-05 06438, 2015
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STalKer-X
;<
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hibiscuskazeneko
:B
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Freso
CatQuest: "most games on gog i want/have are old enoug to work in dosbox, but the install thing is only for new windows machines" — Lutris, for Linux, have a lot of these installing to Linux-native DOSBox. That's how I'm running SW: Dark Forces.
2015-03-05 06415, 2015
Freso
Of course, that doesn't help for Mac OS users. :)
2015-03-05 06450, 2015
CatQuest
I wish just the original install thingy was an option
